EPISODE SUMMARY
Guest: Kim Schneider
Kim says she can’t remember the first day she came to the Blair Chiropractic Clinic. That's probably a good indication of how poorly she was feeling that day. She would describe her state back then as being in a tunnel. If you've ever suffered from many illnesses or prolonged pain, she would say, you end up getting your peripheral vision shut down where you really feel like you're only able to pay attention to so many things at once. That's a hard place to live.
She was diagnosed with mild scoliosis in grade school and started having headaches at 15 years old and on through her 20s. Also had uneven hips and what some people describe as a short leg syndrome. Her hips were not level. Later she developed vertigo and balance issues.
For many years Kim was a full-time horse trainer. She rode horses all day long, every day, six days a week, for a good portion of her life. Over the years, she had seen lots of different practitioners and, had lots of body work done, been to a lot of doctors trying to get help with some of her other health problems. She had cranial sacral work done. She had tried a lift in the shoe, been to reiki practitioners, and myofascial release experts, and traveled around the country seeking help.
When talking about her first adjustment, Kim says, “I just remember how gentle it was. It really was such a subtle move. I'd been to chiropractors for 20 years or so before I came to seek some treatment from Dr. Elder, and that was definitely just the most subtle and easiest one I'd ever experienced. Since it was up high, there was a little part of me that was really curious about how that would feel.
The healing process: Kim says, “Well, I was so much better within 30 days. Stunningly better in 30 days. I had a full-time job, an office job that was pretty low demanding, but I would spend so many of my lunches napping in my car on my lunch breaks and then sleeping after I got home or laying down as soon as I got home. After my adjustment, not only did vertigo go away, I got really solid on my feet again. It felt good to move again. I had ambition. I had the desire to get out and about again instead of just laying around hoping that I would feel good enough to even get my house chores done. I started having some vigor and some vitality again. That was huge for me, so huge. There were a couple of shocking things that happened. Around 2017 or so, I noticed that my left foot was starting to migrate away from my midline. After my adjustment, much to my surprise and delight, my left foot and ankle migrated back underneath my left hip and left knee. My leg was straight again.
If the brainstem comes all the way down into C1 and C2, and it's the largest fattest part of the spinal cord right through those first two vertebrae, and if your atlas and axis are not in alignment, whatever in alignment is for your own anatomy, then that's a huge problem. All the neurological issues that come about because of that spot being messed up. The brainstem is the first part of our brain that starts to function when we're in our mother's womb, and it's the last thing that goes when we go out. It's essential for our life.
Kim had gotten to a point where she thought she would have to live with serious limitations for the rest of her life. Her message is “ No, you don't have to live like this. Not only do you not have to go to 14 specialists trying to figure out what's going wrong with you. You can literally just come and have Dr. Elder check your neck. It's my understanding that he's pretty good at just figuring out if he can help you or not by some of those basic eval tests that he did on me.”
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Welcome, welcome, welcome to What Pain in the Neck, the podcast. I am so happy to have in front of me a beautiful smiling face of a person that I have always enjoyed a lot since the first day I met you. Although the first day I did meet you- Kim Schneider.
Hello.
Hello. Welcome to the podcast. The first day I did meet you, your suffering was considerable. Why don't you tell us a little bit about what you remember from the first time we met? That actually was at the Blair Chiropractic Clinic for a short period of time when we had our practice downtown Lubbock.
It's interesting when you said that you remember. I don't remember that first day. That's probably a good indication of how poorly I was feeling that day, as I can't recall it. Maybe you can tell me.
Interesting. That actually was obvious, that you were not feeling good. I feel like that always makes my heart reach out to you more, and it makes me like you more rather than less just with the anticipation of you were suffering for some things that we thought we could help you with. That's why we're here. That's why we took the leap of faith to move from California to Lubbock, Texas to be here at the Blair Clinic and to do the work that we have done leading up to being Blair upper cervical specialists.
Aren't we grateful that you came.
Despite the suffering that I saw in you, I saw there's a person behind there and I just can't wait to watch you come out more.
Before I go on, I just want to thank you and Dr. Elder for listening to that call to move to Lubbock. I know that that was a divine summons and that you guys submitted to that and came. I know it wasn't easy for you all to make that big of a transition, you and your whole family. I'm very grateful to you all.
Thank you for saying that. That means a lot.
It's been a pleasure getting to know you all personally. Obviously, I am so much better than that day we first met.
Was that about four years ago?
Yes, just passed four years. I think the first adjustment I received was at the end of October, '18.
Do you remember that?
I do remember that.
Tell me, what do you remember from that?
I just remember how gentle it was. It really was such a subtle move. I'd been to chiropractors for 20 years or so before I came to seek some treatment from Dr. Elder, and that was definitely just the most subtle and easiest one I'd ever experienced. Since it was up high, there was a little part of me that was really curious about how that would feel.
Were you scared?
No, certainly not. You can just tell being around Dr. Elder how extremely respectful and careful and professional and knowledgeable he is. I knew that almost from the get go after our first visit. You do the evaluation and go get the, was it cone beam scan?
Yes. Back then we didn't have our own machine, so you actually had to go through an extra step and go to a dentist that was taking the scans for us. Right now, it's a lot easier because we have it in our clinic here.
That's convenient.
Yes, it's a lot more convenient, and it cuts out a step, and it lets my husband who's an extreme perfectionist, take the best possible pictures as well. It's good. It's better for the patients and better for us. We made that investment along the way, and we're happy about that.
Very good.
That will actually be in another episode on the podcast, talk about the importance of the scan. I think that's too much to cover in this interview today, but it is a really crucial part of it. We've talked about you as suffering, but we haven't mentioned what you suffered from.
Going back to that first day we met, I would describe my state back then as being in a tunnel. If you've ever suffered for many illness or prolonged pain, I would say, you end up getting your peripheral vision shut down where you really feel like you're only able to pay attention to so many things at once. That's a hard place to live.
When you're saying pain, what kind of pain and symptoms did you come to us for?
I certainly had recurrent headaches, both what I would call a regular daily type headache, and I had had migraines from the time I was 15. It started when I was 15. I was diagnosed with mild scoliosis when I was in grade school, and started having those headaches at 15 years old and on through my 20s and such realized that I had not just a little scoliosis in my back, but had uneven hips and what some people describe as a short leg syndrome. My hips were not level. It looked like my right leg was short in terms of how my previous chiropractors had assessed me.
It's very common. Some people solve that by putting a lift in your shoe.
I did that.
We can actually level it out. That would be better.
Yes. I can say my hips are level now for the first time in my life, no doubt. Going back to some of those symptoms or issues, I was having trouble sleeping at that time. I'd been going through some other health issues, which I'd gotten a lot of really good care, functional medicine care and treatment, and had followed those well for probably four or five years by the time I met you all and came for treatment. It was the icing on the cake of a treatment plan and journey I'd already made.
You had started really focusing on your health, and yet you were in that level of suffering, despite having already done quite a bit of healing.
Yes. I had done everything I knew to do to get well, and here I was still having these other residual symptoms and some new things. I'd gone back to a chiropractor, someone here in town that's very, very good, highly respected, really knows what they're doing. If anything, I got more symptomatic. Things like vertigo had started. I hadn't had a lifetime of vertigo issues, but here I was just not able to--
That was going on when you came to us?
Yes, very lightly and intermittently. It wasn't a serious issue, but the headaches had been an issue. I was stiff and wobbly. I would wake up in the morning, Ruth, and I wouldn't be able to get to the bathroom without losing my balance and running into the doorway or something. Typically, I wasn't in good shape. We know we're going to get a little bit older every year and things are going to change, but there were some significant things like that that had me very concerned, and I didn't understand what was going on. I was at that end of my rope in some ways.
That is really a terrible thing. You're talking about not being in very good shape. In some other ways, looking at you, you look like you were in good shape. Your weight is spot on, your muscle tone is good. Why don't you talk a little bit about that part of what you were dealing with?
For our listeners, I'm 51 now. I was 47-ish when Ruth and I met and I started seeing Dr. Elder and I had trained horses for 30 years, a really long time. I started very young.
That was your profession, right?
Yes.
Professionally, not just as a hobby.
No, no. I was a full-time horse trainer. I rode horses all day long, every day, six days a week for a good portion of my life. Over the years I had seen lots of different practitioners and had lots of body work done, been to a lot of doctors trying to get help with some of my other health problems. I had had cranial sacral work done. I had done the lift in the shoe, like you mentioned, been to probably reiki practitioners, myofascial release experts, and traveled around the country.
All the people that I knew that trained horses, their physical abilities were a part of their job. You're treating yourself like a professional athlete, and you're tending to yourself so that you can maintain symmetry and balance and make sure all your muscles are firing and that your equilibrium is really good. I had great balance. I started colts for many, many years. Probably 100 to 150 colts that had never been ridden before. I was handy.
Despite all that, you describe yourself as not being in good shape, and it's pretty typical for what we deal with. A lot of times people think, okay, I've tried it all, but usually there is a solution. We've talked all about the level of suffering and leading up to the first adjustment. Describe what happened after that.
Well, I was so much better within 30 days. Stunningly better in 30 days. I had a full-time job, an office job that was pretty low demanding, but I would spend so many of my lunches napping in my car on my lunch breaks, and then sleeping after I got home, or laying down as soon as I got home. After my adjustment, not only did the vertigo go away, I got really solid on my feet again. My equilibrium and my sense of balance and proprioception and where I was in space, I knew where my parts were again and can navigate well, but--
That's important.
Yes. Very important. It felt good to move again. I had ambition. I had the desire to get out and about again, instead of just laying around hoping that I would feel good enough to even get my house chores done. I started having some vigor and some vitality again. That was huge for me, so huge. There were a couple of shocking things that happened.
Okay, so do tell.
I forgot to mention this part. As I mentioned, fitness and all of those things were so important to me, but around 2017 or so, I noticed that my left foot was starting to migrate away from my midline.
Oh, no.
Yes, out from underneath my knee and my hip. I didn't understand what that was about after all that I had done. I just thought, "Well, I guess that's just genetic or something, or maybe it's just inevitable." There's no way I could have avoided this because all the work that I did didn't prevent that from happening. My mom had the same thing that happened to her, and she ended up having her knee replaced. After my adjustment much to my surprise and delight, my left foot and ankle migrated back underneath my left hip and left knee. My leg was straight again.
Yes. Just to be clear, this was a neck adjustment.
This was the upper cervical.
Yes.
Super subtle. Yes. One adjustment and that happened.
Okay, when you say super subtle, can you describe what you felt like? What was the adjustment like?
The adjustment is so hard to feel because there's a drop table involved. If any of you are acquainted with chiropractic work, you may know what a drop table is. That allows for a little play in the table that you're lying on.
Yes. There's a loud noise that happens from the table.
Yes, there's a couple inch inches of drop.
Yes. Did it hurt? What did you feel?
All I felt was the drop of the table really. I certainly have that little bit of contact from Dr. Elder's hand and the pressure.
Yes, he did touch you.
It's so small. Yes.
He has to touch you.
It feels like he touches you, you drop, and you're done. It's so simple. It's so simple.
Yes. That's beautiful. In fact, your results were so quick and so dramatic that shortly after you started, we were recording a TV commercial.
Yes, we did.
I had a few people that I thought would be candidates. I felt like it's a huge ask, first of all, to ask someone to be recorded for a TV commercial. I figured it took a special person and now that I see your green hair, which our listeners can't see, that certainly was part of why I wanted you on the TV and also, how beautiful and the vitality that you exude, but also the dramatic results that you got.
Well, I've enjoyed so much doing that, and I did not want to be on TV, but it was just a labor of love for me to press into that. I remember back then making some notes and I actually recorded some of my thoughts at the time, getting ready for that commercial, which is how some of these memories came to me when we were preparing for today because I thought, "Well, this is going to be, finally." This commercial was really short. It's only a few seconds, and there was so much more that I thought you and I could talk through to really assist people because, hey, now is the time. If you feel like it's been hopeless, this is a place to hope. I was in a tunnel, like I said back then, and this gave me so many things back in my life that I thought I may not get back.
Yes. Can you give examples of that? What are some things that you feel like you lost, that you've gotten back?
I lost my creativity. I lost my interest in engaging in anything. I lost my bounce.
Okay.
We all need some bounce. It's certain moments in life and during the day or week or the month. We should have a little bounce even like we did when we were goofy kids. Then what we do with that bounce is, it just depends on who we are and how we let that out. I had lost my bounce and I had lost my willingness to really move around very much at all. I'd certainly not all the way lost my hope in getting rid of my headaches, but I was really thinking I'll just have headaches like this for the rest of my life.
That's awful.
Yes. It was not good. It was not good. This is hope. This is truth. I always was interested in finding the truth and getting to the root of the problem. I'd done the best I could with hydration and nutrition.
You done all the things right, and you had this astounding knowledge to build it. Before we actually move on to some of that, I just want to say that that transformation that you're talking about and the bounce and the creativity, that is my favorite part of having been in a Blair Upper Cervical Office for, I think, it's 27 years right now, is just seeing that transformation in people's face. All of a sudden life is back in your eyes and there's a different quality to the smile. Maybe people come in and they don't smile very much.
You can't even remember even coming in because of how stressful life was, and here you are just in front of me, just beaming and it's just incredible. You're just so full of life. Like you said, there's a childish for lack of you-- for not childish, because obviously you have a lot of knowledge and maturity, but just that vivaciousness that we see in children, and I just see that, and so, yes [unintelligible 00:19:41].
It's like a playfulness. We don't want to lose that. That's precious to us. I was thinking before and after, here's a good before and after snapshot is that we described how I was when I met you that day and the following summer, this is like within seven or eight months or so, I went on a 3,000-mile road trip by myself around the country.
Wow.
I was so much better and so much more confident and comfortable. I just had no stress at all. It was just the easiest thing to do. I was physical enough. I actually had a jet ski wreck that summer. [chuckles]
Wow.
Not only had I gotten where I was walking around and moving around more, my posture was easy, and I was comfortable in my frame again, and everything that felt so uncomfortable before felt so natural again. I was riding my bike a little bit, but I had actually gotten where I was like, "Yes, I'll go jet skiing. Let's do that." I was back to riding horses. I haven't really ridden much in the last few years to tell you the truth, but it's like I was back to feeling comfortable no matter what I physically went into--
You feel like you can ride a horse if you get the opportunity.
Absolutely.
You had lost that, it sounds like. Something I want to grab a hold of when you mentioned road trip, because there is something that you have mentioned to me several times through the years and also when we were talking, preparing for this episode, was driving and looking over the shoulder. Why don't you talk about that?
That's a great before and after snapshot too. Before I had my neck adjusted and before Dr. Elder put me back in line in C1 and C2, I would be driving down the highway, you're going, the speed limit, 55 or 70, whatever, fast enough where you don't really feel comfortable looking around a lot. You need to keep your eyes on the road. I would have the sense like I need to look over my left shoulder to check something-
Changing lanes or something like that.
-or changing lanes, something like that where I check my mirror, but I also want to look. I would have this sense where if I moved and turned my head to seven or eight o'clock back over my left shoulder and then back to twelve o'clock looking straight out my windshield, I would get disoriented when I did that.
How scary.
Yes. It was not comfortable at all, and I was like, "I'm 47 years old. This is terrible. I feel like an old lady right now." Not that I have anything against old age or getting older, because I look forward to those years as well, but at 47, I didn't want to feel like I was 75 and I really was not comfortable driving in certain situations because of that. That went away after I got my neck adjusted. I could just boom, boom, I'm good. My eyes could follow the horizon back to the road quickly and I would be perfectly fine. I felt so comfortable again. It was such a relief to me. [chuckles]
That's beautiful.
It is the kind of stuff we don't tell people, right, Ruth?
Yes.
We all recognize those changes in ourselves as the years go by and the decades go by, but you start to attribute that to old age or just a natural aging process. Like, "Well, that's just part of it."
Yes. Although we're actually good at explaining it away no matter what age because a lot of times you hear, "Oh, yes, it's not fun getting older," but sometimes in here we also see children, and they will explain it by, "Oh, it's just a phase and you'll outgrow it." A lot of times if we don't understand something like that that's happening to us that's terrifying or seems like it's not right, we can either try to find an answer and get to the bottom of it or what we so often do instead is to say, "Oh, it's no fun getting old," or if it's child, "Oh yes, you'll outgrow it," instead of getting to the answer.
All those things are lies really. Those symptoms that we see and feel in ourselves and others, it's a lie that's attributed to either childhood and you're going to grow out of it or that's just part of the aging process and you should just expect that and accept that.
Usually signs and symptoms like that, whether it's pain, or feeling disoriented, or serious things like that, the way that I like to explain it or think about it is, if you're driving your car and you see a red light on the dashboard, that's the pain or that's the dizziness.
The check engine light.
Yes, that check engine light. What do you want to do? Do you want to ignore it and put a piece of tape over it or do you want to look under the hood and see what the actual is going on here?
Precisely. You and I have that in common. We think that way and we press into life that way. It's just dazzling how much the Lord has allowed our bodies to heal themselves if we just give it what it needs and protect it from what it doesn't. I had plenty of head trauma coming off of horses over the years and doing dumb stuff when we were kids. For anybody that's had any head trauma, I just can't imagine how much this is going to help them. I'm going to put you on the spot here.
Go ahead. I'm good.
The research I did before I came to see Dr. Elder the first time or maybe after I met with him and we had the evaluation, I checked into it and it's 50% of your neck mobility is in the first two vertebrae in C1 and C2, or about 50%.
We have a lot of mobility in the upper neck.
Obviously, the spinal cord is the largest that it's going to be at the very top of your spine.
It's not just the spinal cord, actually. The brainstem, the brain comes down into the upper neck.
That's what I was going to ask you because I read that and I thought that's significant. If the brainstem comes all the way down into C1 and C2, and it's the largest fattest part of the spinal cord right through those first two vertebrae, and if your atlas and axis are not in alignment, whatever in alignment is for your own anatomy, then that's a huge problem. All the neurological issues that come about because of that spot being messed up, oh my goodness.
Actually thank you for bringing that up. You did do your research and you did learn some things. Through the upper neck it's a lot less stable than the rest of the spine because it is so mobile. If you have more mobility, then you have less stability. Also, what you said about head trauma, I want to stress something about that that I think is significant. Say you bang your head and you have a concussion, mild or otherwise. By the way, a concussion doesn't mean that you lose consciousness. That's a common misunderstanding. You can have a concussion and not necessarily know it because it seems like you got up and you're feeling woozy.
If you have trauma to the brain, which a concussion is-- It takes a lot to cause trauma to the brain because it's encapsulated in a hard shell, it's floating in fluid. It takes a really hard knock to actually injure the brain, but it takes much smaller amount of force to injure the neck. If you banged yourself hard enough that you've injured your brain, then you by default also have injured the neck. Up there in the upper neck, since you were asking, you have the brainstem coming into it. By the way, the brain stem is the part of the brain that regulates life muscle activity, your heart rate, your breathing, all of that stuff.
The brain stem is the first part of your brain that starts to function when we're in our mother's womb, and it's the last thing that goes when we go out. It's essential for our life. I feel like you've done some beautiful examples of describing how you got your vitality back. Real life, not just lack of symptoms, but you're actually feeling somewhat like a child again because of the life that's coming through you. That's the brain stem, but also the blood vessels to and from the brain travel through the upper neck. If something is misaligned, it can encroach on that space and choke that off a little bit.
Finally, we talked about how the brain floats in water. It's called the cerebral spinal fluid. I always struggle with pronouncing it. [chuckles] Your brain floats inside your brain in water.
Its cushion.
Yes, it's its cushion and it's similar to a lake in that it has fresh supply coming in all the time and then the wastewater coming out.
Interesting.
That flow goes through the upper neck, the fresh flow coming in and the wastewater coming out. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to think if there's a little bit of, say, a kink on that hose or a pebble or something like that, pressing on that hose, it's not a hose exactly but just to use that picture--
Channel at least.
Yes. If you interrupt that flow somehow, that either it's not getting enough fresh fluid in, or if the wastewater isn't draining out properly, to me, it's not hard to imagine what kind of havoc that can cause in your brain or whether it's pain or feeling disoriented or foggy or all of those things.
Fascinating.
Yes. Anyway, you've put me on the spot. You probably got more than you bargained for.
It's all good information in confirming really, to me, because I had these neurological things that were going on and it wasn't like I was going to go to a neurologist and seek treatment about that specifically. In my mind, I was thinking, "Well, they're not that bad. It only happens occasionally, or it only happens for 15 minutes in the morning, and then I seem to be pretty okay."
There was just a sense of I guess I have to live like this. No, you don't have to live like this. Not only do you not have to go to 14 specialists trying to figure out what's going wrong with you. You can literally just come and have Dr. Elder check your neck. It's my understanding that he's pretty good at just figuring out if he can help you or not by some of those basic eval tests that he did on me.
Yes. The process starts with we call it a screening. He runs the test to see if he can help. If he can't, he's actually working really hard at getting to know other specialists so that he can refer out. He does that more than any doctor that I have ever known. It's interesting to me. The best doctors that I have met are also the most humble and also generous with working with other professionals. That's just my personal opinion that less ego is a good thing when it comes to bodies because it's complicated.
Actually, you've done a great job explaining what you went through, what the process was, but I wanted to take a few minutes and touch on your background within anatomy and physiology, yourself. When we were preparing for this interview and talking about what you wanted to talk about, you had some thoughts about your background as a trainer and you know a lot about alignment and physiology and being straight and all of that stuff. You have made some thoughts about that, which is why you're asking these questions. Why don't you share a little bit about some of the things that you have noticed about the body based on that expertise that you come with?
Yes, that is a good question, Ruth. I think what I'd like to contribute and let people know about is, yes, there's the healthcare, health and wellness part of seeking upper cervical care that's crucial for any stage of life, especially anybody going through some of the symptoms that we've talked about. I also would have killed to know about this back when I was in the thick of my horse training career because of all the bodywork and the hands-on work and the exercise and the fitness program and the whatever, pilates and all that stuff--
You were talking about, and you were describing to me how-- I don't ride horses. I've sat on a horse once and it was pretty ridiculous. [laughs] You were describing to me exactly how to ride a horse and how the hips should be on top of the horse and exactly how it needs to be.
When every movement matters and every-- You're trying to figure out how to sit on them, and how to ride them and get out of their way so that they can be as athletic as they can possibly be. You want to be as neutral as possible while still maintaining the purpose. You're in charge of the purpose. They become an extension of your thought and they start to read every shift of your body weight and every flexion of every muscle and every way you twist your upper body or just lower your hand two inches and it changes the way they handle themselves.
Anybody that has a very important positional athletic career going on or pursuit, whether you're into ballet or running or swimming or anything where your position is vital to you for either your personal gains, just for the satisfaction of it, or if you're in sports, either in athletics in school or you've actually gotten into professional ranks or you're pursuing a big athletic goal, I just cannot stress how important it would be to have your head and neck in alignment so that the rest of everything else fires and does its job the way God intended it to work.
You were talking about your hips and your scoliosis. You were talking about your hips not being level is what I'm talking about.
Oh, yes. My boss that I worked for for so many years, my mentor, would gripe at me because I would grip a little bit with the top of my left leg and I would create a little asymmetry in my horses because my hips weren't perfectly level. Because of that asymmetry in my spine, I would twist just a little tiny bit and grip with the upper part of my left leg, which I was not allowed to do. For the life of me, I could not stop it.
You couldn't figure out what to do.
Yes. It was out of my control, and it didn't matter how many experts I sought the advice of and let them try to tweak me so that that went away. It never went away until Dr. Elder adjusted that little tiny adjustment at the top of my neck. Imagine that. I would put this over a gym membership. I would prioritize upper cervical care, over all the other things, over stretching and body work and all those other modalities. I would choose this first. I would choose it now because of my health and wellness. If I was in my shoes back then I would choose it because of all the gains in my athletic ability.
Hopefully, you could do those other things as well if you had to choose one, that's what you're saying.
I would've put this first. I was looking for this answer for many decades before. Not that I've lived that long, but many years in several decades before I got sick and had to and receive it in terms of health and wellness if that makes sense.
Okay, is that what motivates you to be on here?
Oh, no. My heart is for people, Ruth. If I think about all the undue and unneeded suffering in the world today, we look all around us and we see the evidence of just so many people on a downhill slide. With our whole heart, we would want to help them and get them the relief that they need, give them the provision that they need. We know that the Lord gives us a place and gives us protection and gives us provision for life and godliness. I think that Dr. Elder, it says it right there in the book for those who are sick go to the elders.
Okay. [laughs]
Then he must call for the Eeders. I'm saying the answer is right here. It's written right there in the book.
That's a funny application but thank you for that.
It's truth. If anybody can get well by coming here, I would just love them to come and just have Dr. Elder look at them and see if this might be a possibility for them to get out of the hole that they're in because we don't have to stay there. We're not stuck. It's an illusion that we're stuck.
Yes. At least come in and explore if this is a solution.
Absolutely.
If you don't feel like this is the right solution for you, there always is a solution. As part of that screening, if you feel like this isn't the right answer, we'll help you and steer you towards another solution. That's what motivates us too to keep on learning and it's what motivates me to do these interviews and interview just true stories from people that have suffered and also a lot of the experts who do help suffering people to just know that there is hope and there is a solution. That's why I do this despite my language and all that.
[laughter]
Kim, it's been beautiful talking to you.
To you as well.
What have I not asked you about? Is there something that you would like to say that we haven't touched on?
I think I would just encourage people to seek the truth. The love of the truth is vital for life. If you are a lover of truth like I am and I suspect that my good friend Ruth is-
[laughter]
Okay.
-that you'll just continue to press in because the truth sets us free. I am free.
Yes. There's an answer.
I'm just eternally grateful for what the Lord's done in y'all, bringing you here to Lubbock, Texas from beautiful sunny California. It's just been a joy. A joy to know you and a joy to get to do life with you and look forward to--
The admiration is mutual. Kim, do you have a life verse or a quote or a saying or some kind of life motivator that you live by that you are willing to share?
I just go back to those scriptures that put wind in my sails. I think, "The reverential fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom," and wisdom is just the greatest treasure.
Okay.
That's my advice.
You've shared some of your wisdom today and I really, really appreciate it. Thank you so much for your time.
I'm honored. Thank you.
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