EPISODE SUMMARY
Guest: Terri Arthur
Dr. Pokorski tells the story(ies) that brought him into the chiropractic profession.
He not only experienced one, but rather three “miracle stories” as a young man.
The importance of chiropractic care for children.
Quality of life.
The difference between Chiropractic and Physical Therapy.
When you hear: “you're just going to have to live with it,.”
Choosing the right fit for Chiropractic College.
Myths, misconceptions and reality about Upper Cervical Chiropractic.
What are the green books?
XRays; why it’s important. The difference between the way the Medical professions read X-rays vs. what chiropractors look for.
Transitioning from traditional full spine practice to upper cervical specifics. The dos and don’ts of switching Chiropractic technique.
What is the Diplomate of Chiropractic Craniocervical Junction Procedures? The Challenges, investment and rewards of doing this program.
The rewards of helping the most complicated conditions that have tried everything else.
Migraine relief.
Help with Trigeminal Neuralgia, Occipital Neuralgia, Meniere’s Disease .
Never give up hope.
To contact Dr. Pokorski:
(716) 333-8884
info@mychiropracticlifestyle.com
To contact Ruth, go to https://www.blairclinic.com
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Transcript
Welcome, welcome, welcome to What Pain in the Neck. I am Ruth Elder, your host. And in this podcast episode, you are in for a treat. I have an incredibly talented and smart fun and funny doctor with a fantastic positive outlook on life. And that is one of the reasons I invited him on today. Just an example in setting up this interview today. And emailing back and forth, I noticed your greeting at the bottom said “exceed life's expectations”. So that's just a glimpse into who Dr. Brian Pokorski is. Dr. Pokorski, welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me. Thank you for inviting me. And it's an honor. Thank you.
Yeah. And so I will put all the details and how to get a hold of you, where you are, all of that stuff in the show notes.
Wonderful.
We are recording this in Las Vegas.
We are.
But you've traveled all night almost to get here from?
From Buffalo, New York.
Buffalo, New York.
Sunny Buffalo.
Sunny Buffalo?
Yes, it really is very beautiful there now, so it's good. Everybody thinks snow immediately when you say Buffalo, New York. They think blizzards and, you know, massive amounts of snow. Once every 20 or 30 years that happens, but you know.
Okay. Well, I'll have to come and visit you sometime and see it for myself. All right. So this is a show about resolution to suffering and you are helping people relieve their suffering and get their health back. Every day.
Correct.
So why don't you tell us how did you get into it?
So I really have three different chiropractic - what we refer to as chiropractic miracles within the profession that drove me to chiropractic.
So chiropractic miracles, that mean you had a problem that a chiropractor helped you with.
Yeah, three different ones, which is kind of crazy. I'll take a minute and I'll explain those. When I was very young, I would suggest to you I was in Second grade. So, I guess that'd probably be 8 or 9 years old. I was having a lot of difficulty with headaches. Irretractable. The only thing that really worked was a super big Tylenol sinus and allergy pill. It didn't work because it actually helped me with pain, but it knocked me unconscious for like 12 hours. So, you don't feel a whole lot when you're asleep, you know.
But when I look back on that experience, what it really boils down to was, I was not being afforded the opportunity to be a kid. I wasn't hanging out with friends because my head hurt. I wasn't performing well at school because my head hurt and I couldn't do the homework, you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah. That's the heartbreaking thing. People say, “Headaches, okay yeah, your head hurts.” But really, you don't have a life when you have those kinds of headaches.
No. And they were, it was pretty severe. Later on, I found out that I had a fairly traumatic birth. I had the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck a few times and very time mom would push, you know, my heart rate would drop. So there was some challenges there. With that in mind though, you know, clearly, you know, it was relatively healthy at birth, but you can't speak to anyone regarding any symptomatology as a newborn.
So yeah, years later I developed this symptomatology of headaches. And at the time, my dad was still actively involved in the military. He was a helicopter pilot. And they had just introduced night vision goggles. And this is, you know, 1980 something. And back then, the technology was strapped onto a helmet in a very - you know, fairly violently vibrating helicopter. And it was seven pounds of weight strapped to the front of a helmet.So, lo and behold, he developed neck pain and started to see a chiropractor.
Must have seen, I assume he had either talked with a doc or seen a brochure or something of that nature. And brought me in. Took some x rays, handful of adjustments later, no more headaches.
That's incredible.
But I was eight or nine, as I said, and, you know, I didn't know if I wanted to be a candlestick maker or a, you know, whatever. I didn't -I had no idea what I wanted to do.
A helicopter pilot.
Yeah. You know. So with that in mind. Fast forward 10 years and I'm in a car. We're going Downtown to a nightclub. We were gonna go and hang out with friends and we're at a stoplight and a drunk driver hit us from behind at about 60 miles an hour. And I was just driving at the time was a small Chevy Chevrolet sedan and You know, it's - you know, the car was totaled for sure, but we had to get out through the windows, like the doors wouldn't open, etc, etc. So, went to the hospital, they said, “you think you're hurt now, wait until tomorrow.” Which was super
Encouraging.
Yeah, super great but they were right. You know, so I can't fault them for saying that, you know, they were absolutely right. But I went right, at their request, I made an appointment for my primary doctor, medical doctor. And went there and they gave me sort of the triad of motor vehicle accident medication. So it was an anti-inflammatory, a painkiller, and a muscle relaxant. I was in college at the time, and not to gross out our listeners here, but like I was in my trigonometry class literally like drooling on myself. Because I was so out of it from all this medication. So I'm back to the doctor. I'm like, “listen, you know, doc, I can't do this.I'm going to school actively.”
“I can't learn trigonometry and be in this state.”
Right. Yeah, it does not work. I promise you. So he said, well, you should try physical therapy. I'm like, “awesome.” Because I'm pretty - at the time, and I'm going to back up a little bit. Pretty vibrant, very healthy. I was in the midst of trying out for the college football team. Like, there was a lot going on in my life at that moment in time. And this accident literally put the brakes on all of it. Like, it was, it was life altering.
Again, it affected your life, yeah.
Quality of life. And we can get to that in a minute, but that's ultimately, in my personal opinion, the best research that's done in chiropractic, the best outcomes in chiropractic, have nothing to do with the discomfort that you're experiencing. ZIt's how it improves your quality of life. Because you can have a little bit of mild low back pain and still pick up your grandkids. And enjoy that, because before you couldn't, right, because you'd have searing leg pain, or you'd have headaches where you had to lock yourself in your bedroom with the lights off and so on and so forth. Quality of life is ultimately the role, I think, in my opinion again, the best role that your chiropractor can play in your life.
That is profound. And that is, I totally agree. And that happened to me. Chiropractic gave me a life where I didn't have one before because laying in a dark room and not being able to plan anything because I never knew if I could do it, and most likely knew that I couldn't, really wasn't much of a life. And now I pretty much can do whatever I want to do.
And that's hopefully the people who hear this recognize, you know, if they're in that circumstance. If their quality of life is significantly affected. The long story short is if you're done with drugs and the potential for surgeries and just seeing specialist after specialist, the reality is there's something extremely conservative very easy to to have done and all you got to do is show up. Meaning in an Upper Cervical practice. So it's not hard, you know.
And I agree. That's one of my favorite things about what we do in the Upper Cervical world, you don't have to change anything other than just come and let the chiropractor take a look at you.
Show up.
Yeah. And I agree. Now between you drooling on yourself in trigonometry class and what we just talked about. There's quite a few steps.
So, yes, so I was referred to a physical therapist. Full disclosure, my wife is a physical therapist. Wonderful woman, I'm biased, of course, as we married one another 20 years ago, but my experience at the time was not what I hoped it would have been. In essence, it made my symptomatology worse. I could no longer turn my head to the left without a sharp, stabbing pain.If I were to sneeze or cough, it would escalate exponentially, the discomfort. Yeah, it just, it just was not a good experience.
Yeah, it was the whiplash injury from the car crash.
So, I'm assuming maybe it was a chiropractor who helped you with that?
So after that, - so, but here's - this is the thing, and I'm sure people hear this routinely, although it's an enormous fallacy. Well, in my case, you're 20 years old, odds are likely you're just going to have to live with it. And, frankly, I don't want to say I took offense to it, but I called BS on that. Like, I don't have to live with this. There's gotta be someone, something that's out there to help people who have these challenges, right? So, I didn't give up hope, which is part of it.
Yeah, and actually that's a common thread in all the interviews I've done. People got well because they didn't give up.
Right. And again, if you're out there and you're experiencing these sort of things, please, please, please just take another step. That's the big advice there. So I go to PT, it doesn't get any better, in fact it gets worse. I'm sitting at my Thanksgiving day table with my family and my Aunt Virginia and my aunt says, - you know, we're talking about this circumstance and she says, “you know, maybe you should see my chiropractor.” And I said, “great. That sounds lovely. Like I would love anybody. I'll see anybody at this point in time.” So - and plus I had a wonderful experience when I was, you know, a child. So I'm like, “great, sign me up, right?” And we're likely going to get to this so I want to make I'm going to make a point of clarifying this; the chiropractor that I went to was very typical. Frankly, there was no real exam. There was a history that involved how was my family and then lay down on the table. There wasn't there were no x-rays. There were no nothing. So it was very unfortunately, this is common, amongst, especially, you know the graduates of today, and I don't mean to belittle anyone.
Yeah, we're actually going to get into this because I know that's part of your story later on.
So now after saying that, I have to make another, we're going to change lanes again. So I go there, I get on the table. He makes a whole slew of different adjustments to my spine. And When I walked into that office, I would suggest to you that I was at 60 to 65 percent of myself. I did not feel well. I was uncomfortable. I was in pain multiple times throughout the day. I was miserable, frankly. I walked out of that office after that experience, and the sun was shining, the birds were chirping, and I was probably at 90 percent of myself.
That's incredible.
And it was enough for me to say at that moment in time that, you know what? I think I just figured out what I want to do with my life.
That's cool.
Because I do - and at the time, this is no joke what I said, I'm like, I don't think I need to have lightning strike a third time, right? Because I don't know that I'll make it. Being dead serious.
So I'm like, you know what, I'm going to go back to, at this point in time, it was Buffalo State College and I'm going to go talk with an advisor and I'm going to figure out whatever it's going to take to get me to chiropractic college. Cause at the time I was, it was just my first or second year at that point and I really didn't have much direction. So I called up my mom, I said, “mom, I think I got it. I'm going to go be a chiropractor.” And she was like, “oh, that's great, dear.” And she didn't really understand or know. Now, she had seen the same doctor before and whatever, but the bottom line was that she was very surprised that I had finally made a decision regarding my future. And I think she was very pleased with it. I'd like to think she was very pleased with it.
And changed my major, changed everything, got into all of my prerequisites, went summers, winters, spring, fall. I did all of it so that within two years I had all the prerequisites necessary to go to chiropractic college. Enrolled. And we're going to get into this, so I'm just going to lay it out now. Applied to three different chiropractic colleges, visited two, and took the one that was closer to us. Literally, it was two hours away. It was a much easier experience than being ten hours away.
In retrospect, call me if you want advice on where to go, if you want to go to chiropractic college. So yeah, hindsight's 20-20 in that regard, but I had a wonderful experience there. I met incredible people, but to be perfectly honest, that was a little bit of a black sheep.
So, at the time it was New York chiropractic college. Now it's Northeastern Health Sciences something. I don't know the name of it. And I would ask questions that they were uncomfortable answering. And, with that in mind, I didn't have an opportunity to learn Upper Cervical care. It just wasn't offered at all. Frankly, I feel as though I missed out on an opportunity in that regard. But it was because of the type of college that I went to.
And yeah, and I don't know if this is too soon to ask you, because I know that you graduated from chiropractic college and you just now said they didn't have answers to all your questions and I know you opened your doors and you had a traditional chiropractic clinic and somewhere along the way you threw out the word Upper Cervical. So that means somewhere along the way you decided to specialize in the upper neck.
Well, even in - so when I was at New York Chiropractic, I was made aware. of different techniques and philosophies within chiropractic. But they were very much, like a lot of them were, - they were considered dogmatic and they would knock them down because those are so archaic. Literally, those are the words that they would use. When you could do this and this is so much better and whatever. Yeah, I, again, I just didn't know any better. But I had an inkling because I would go to different seminars and they would speak differently. They would speak about, you know, the power of the body having the ability to heal the body from within. And I'm like, that sounds, that sounds right, first of all. Secondly, I'm learning an awful lot, and this was important in the grand scheme of being a doctor, right? I was learning an enormous amount about diagnosis and, NYCC, New York Chiropractic College, top shelf as far as like, we would pass exams like it was our jobs. Like it was easy for my class to pass all of their board exams. And there were four parts. It was a grueling process.
Which is a wonderful thing because if you don't have that licensure, you can't do anything. So that's significant. So they were super, super good at that. But I had learned that there are these other techniques and applications of chiropractic and I would go into our library and they had - and this is, I swear to you, they would have a separate room that was locked, and in this room were all these different books. They happened to be green. All the covers are green.
Oh yeah, the green books!
The green books. So, you'd have to go to the librarian, you'd have to ask for a key, you'd go in there and you would be able to, you couldn't take these out, but you could sit with them and you could read. And I would go there. Once or twice a week. And I would just sit down and I'd grab the same book over and over again until I got through it. And these books are not short. You know, they're 400 and some odd pages long plus.
And they're written in archaic language.
Yes. And it's a very, yeah - it was - they're not easy to read. And then I got them, and this is cause I'm old, then I got them on tape and whatever, right? So I was learning these different things. But I didn't have a way to actually apply any of this stuff. So I graduate, December of 2000, and I did plan on doing an associateship with a doctor. That, frankly, was not something that I was interested in after visiting with the doctor. And decided I can do this. So I just hung a shingle, opened my doors, and started to see patients. I had enough outside influence in my chiropractic experience to know how to provide some specific adjustments.
Okay. So did you take x-rays?
I had an x ray machine, but I really didn't take x rays, which is silly, because I didn't know what to do with them after the fact. And that might sound silly, but there was no x-ray analysis. There was no chiropractic x-ray analysis done. I was reading them for pathology, which is also significant.
Yeah, okay. So what you're saying is, chiropractors look for…
Misalignments.
Yes. Okay. That's the word I was going to use. Like things that are not lined up right. But when you say pathology, you look for things that shouldn’t be there.
Fractures, tumors, dislocations, infections, that sort of thing. Which, by the way, we are not the best at. A radiologist, a medical radiologist is the best trained at that.
But they're not the best at looking at the structures that are supposed to be there, whether they're lined up correctly.
Correct. Yeah. Not at all.
So you look at it through two different lenses.
Two very different lenses. And not that the two should not have some sort of intersection, but in the grand scheme of the work that I do as an Upper Cervical provider or chiropractor, I wanna look at those misalignments so that I can help the people that are within the practice.
Yep. Yep.
So I had my, I'll say typical practice for maybe 10 years and it was doing okay. You know, people were getting better. There was good experiences there.
Yeah. So this is the story that I just can't wait to hear. You're a chiropractor. You're helping people. You're doing great. So, why did you want more?
So this goes back to the library though, because I'm reading these books. So Dr. B. J. Palmer, the developer of the profession, writes, I don't know, 38 volumes, or I don't know how many volumes of these green books.
Two long shelves in our clinic.
Huge. And with that in mind, he's talking about these absolutely like life changing miraculous recoveries by these patients. And to be perfectly honest, I was helping people with low level stuff, like back pain, neck pain, headaches, shoulder pain. You know, the thing that most people feel chiropractic is oriented to. And again, I was, it's not like I was bad at it. I was pretty good at it. And with that in mind, I just always knew there was something more.
So I go to a seminar in Rochester, New York, which is just, 40 minutes away from my office. And there's four Upper Cervical providers that are speaking at this thing. They're all presenting case studies and information on techniques and application of these techniques. And I go up to one fella and I'm like, “man you are like speaking my language. This is what I thought chiropractic was all along and I really want to know more. So like what do I do?” And not to make light of it, but he basically pats me on the head and says, “that's great. You're doing wonderful. Why don't you just go back? And you're doing great on your own.”
Oh, no.
So I'm like, “really, man, like, okay, like whatever,” right? So I don't take no for an answer well. So I go back home and I start going online and I'm looking, I'm searching for Upper Cervical education, information, techniques, whatever. And frankly, at the time, there was nothing available. And I'm not exaggerating. There was nothing that you could Google and like find someone who would teach you how to provide an Upper Cervical adjustment.
So I called the one guy that I knew through a mentor of mine and his name is Dr. James Aldridge up in Canada. Super incredible guy. He had typical practice and then transitioned to an Upper Cervical technique. I'm like, “so Dr. Jim, like. How? Like, how? Like, tell me how.” So he referred me to a specific green book and he had me reach out to a specific doctor and frankly it wasn't going anywhere.
So it ended up on the back burner because I have a practice, I've got a family, etc. So it ended up on the back burner, like I said, and I go back out to Rochester for another seminar the year following. And I promised myself I am not leaving that room until I figure out the next step. So, I cornered the doctor that I was speaking to the year before, I said, “listen, I've got a challenge that I need help with. I want to be able to do what you do. Tell me how to do it.” So he says to me, “Oh, that's easy. Just sign up for the International Chiropractic Association's Diplomate Program in Craniocervical Junction Procedures.”
Wow.
Right.
Yeah. So we do have some other episodes that talk about that. But why don't you sum up what that program is? And I know that you did what he said and signed up.
I did.
Spoiler alert. So you signed up, and this program, can you sum that up in like a couple of minutes like three years worth of complex…
So about three and a half years over 300, you know man hours of Upper Cervical techniques application radiology imaging physiology anatomy, etc all of it. And at the time I'm sitting with - we started off with like, I don't know, 38 people in this diplomate class if you will. And I'm sitting with people who've had 30 plus years in their own Upper Cervical practice and have learned from the best of the best of the best. Or their dad learned from the best of the best of the best and they were brought up in the profession in that context. I had none of that. I was a guy who went to a typical chiropractor, was lucky enough to have a great experience, went to the wrong college, didn't have a mentor to tell me what techniques to get into, graduated and was like hoping for the best.
So, I'm sitting - I am this super tiny minnow of a fish in this vast ocean of doctors with pedigrees as, you know, resumes that are five pages long. And not having administered a single, solitary Upper Cervical adjustment at the time.
So I had an additional challenge. I had to become a certified proficient in a technique. The technology that I use for imaging is called Cone Beam CT. I had to learn, purchase and apply that technology within my practice and then pass three different exams through the diplomate process. That frankly, none of them were easy at all. So with that in mind, it was a little bit like drinking from a fire hose.
But, my family, I asked my family, frankly, you know, permission to do this, telling them, because my kids were young at the time, like, Dad's not going to be around, a couple weekends a month for like three years.
I know. It's a huge, huge, huge, commitment.
So everybody was on board and it worked out wonderfully. So I met incredible people. I became proficient in Blair Upper Cervical chiropractic. It's been wonderful for me, for my community. The cone beam CT technology is cutting edge and absolutely the best way to visualize the misalignments that are happening within the Upper Cervical spine.
I will link to another episode that describes that in detail.
Sure. Fair enough.
And met mentors that I never, frankly, that I never even knew existed. And it has been an absolutely amazing ride from there on in.
Okay, so this is great. This is a fantastic story. It's absolutely fascinating. So you had your patients and did you all of a sudden say, “okay, now I'm doing things different.”
You're starting over or how, how did you do that? And, how did your patients react?
So remember that fellow by the name of Dr. James Aldrich? So, he goes down and learns knee chest chiropractic, which is another technique.
It's another Upper Cervical.
Another Upper Cervical technique. And he learns it from one of the masters in the profession. He goes back to his practice in Canada after several weeks of being on site and having a wonderful health experience in and of himself. Like, he was helped dramatically by this technique. And he says, “I'm back in the office. Everybody's getting x-rays, everybody's switching over.” And his practice dropped to a fifth of what it once was, meaning the number of people who were looking for help, because they were not ready for an abrupt change. And he shared that story with me.
And so the takeaway for me was, don't do that.
Yeah. No kidding.
Right. So if there was a new patient that was coming to the office, they would be brought in as an Upper Cervical patient. Okay. However, the patient base that I've been serving for like 15 plus years at the time, even once I was done with the Diplomate Program, if they came in with a different set of symptoms or if they had an exacerbation of some sort, I would introduce the idea and concepts to them. And at that point in time, I would let them make the decision as to, “hey, you know, we can, we can do what we've done before. And we're going to end up kicking the can down the road, pretty much, and you're going to have another exacerbation.”
When you say kicking the can down the road it's not fixing it, it’s just kind of relieving it.
Correct. Yeah, we're relieving it, but, you know, making it asymptomatic, but it lets these things just fester. And I don't like that. I don't want people to suffer, right? Then I would explain to them like “there could be a root problem to your cause that we're overlooking. Why don't you consider having this imaging study done, the cone beam CT, let's take a look at it together, and at that point in time we can make a decision as to, you know, maybe changing approaches.” And I'd leave it at that. And I have to tell you that I think all of my - If I have maybe three or four patients that simply didn't want something different, they're just stuck in the mud, if you will. Everybody else has come aboard as far as Upper Cervical.
Okay, so Dr. Pokorski, what can you do now? What are you doing in your clinic now? What are some stories? And you were already changing lives. So how is it different now? Like, what can you do now that you couldn't do before?
I think the coolest part of what I do now is the level of challenge that I can help people with.
Can you give us an example or two?
Absolutely. Absolutely. So this is going to sound maybe a little bit silly the way I'm going to say it, but I love helping people who have vertigo and dizziness, not because I want them to have vertigo and dizziness, but because it's something that I feel responds in like wonderfully to Upper Cervical care.
Because you can help them with it.
Yes. You know, migraine headaches. migraine headaches that they've been to neurologist after neurologist are on a litany of medications for getting Botox injections and lidocaine injections and trigger points and all these other things that they may have a few more days per month where they don't have a headache that are like, “yeah, I haven't had a headache since I started.”
My point being, like, great, I could have been very happy, well, I could have continued on in a typical or commonplace context of chiropractic, but I don't think the level of fulfillment for me professionally would ever have been where it is now. I'm helping people who have been to all sorts of other people, doctors of a multitude of specialties and professions, including other chiropractors for that matter, or PT or neurologists or so on and so forth, that now they come to the office and they're finally getting the relief that they have been begging for, in some cases for years.
So, yeah, cases of dizziness, headaches, Meniere's disease is one - it's not ultra common, but it's a situation where people present with that all the time. Of course, neck pain, Occipital neuralgia, trigeminal neuralgia, you know, other very severe circumstances that people - the healthcare profession doesn't have a tremendous amount of answers for. And that's like super fulfilling for me.
You can do stuff that most people can't do.
And, and the bottom line is like the proof's in the pudding, right? So when they show up and they go, “you know what? Yeah. I haven't had a headache in like two months.” And they don't even realize it, right?
Yes, because it's normal to not have pain.
And all of a sudden they sit there and go like, “holy cow, like, I haven't had to take my medication for X number of weeks.” I'm like, “awesome.”
It's incredible.
Yeah, and so again, this all comes back to quality of life. Because the one patient that I'm thinking of, her name is Danielle. Danielle had terrible headaches five out of seven days per week. Migraine headaches. She was on five different medications. She had children at home and she was a business person. She was a very busy woman. She has done wonderfully under care and it's a situation now where like her quality of life has skyrocketed. Her kids know it. Now her kids say like, you know, “mom, you probably need to go to the chiropractor.” So they say it nicely, but yeah, she kind of pops in now and again after, you know, a more intense series of visits initially. But she just gets tuned up now and makes sure that everything is well so that she, you know, can continue to enjoy this quality of life.
Okay, so back to where we started. Do you feel like it's fair to say that this has exceeded your expectations?
Oh, dear Lord, yes.
What's the expression? You don't know what you don't know. I knew that I had a couple of very positive experiences through chiropractic. But I had no idea the impact that that would have on my life, let alone the lives of those in my community. And that's what gets me up in the morning. You know, honestly, like that's the part that like I get up - like my wife, she enjoys her cup of coffee, maybe a couple of cups in the morning. She has to kind of, you know, get going.
I’m right there with her.
I wake up. I get up to the tick of my alarm before the radio starts and I get up out of bed and I'm ready to go. Cause I know that I'm going to have an opportunity to meet with all these people today and have a positive influence on their life. That's a pretty good deal.
You know, this is exactly why. I invited you because of that positivity that you bring to this world. So thank you for all you do, and thank you for your time.
Oh, my pleasure.
It was wonderful. Dr. Pokorski, is there anything that you just really wish that I'd asked you or that you just can't wait to share?
The only thing that I would add to this is simply, as we said earlier. I don't care, I shouldn't say I don't care, but I'm going to say it anyway. I don't care the level of severity of the symptomatology that an individual has. It's horrible. I wish that they didn't have it. But don't stop looking. Don't give up hope. There is someone or something out there that can help you in a way that you may have never expected. It just may come packaged differently than what you would have expected. So an Upper Cervical chiropractor is not just back and spine clinic down the road. You have to look for us specifically. And last I heard, out of 70,000 chiropractors in North America, 2, 000 of us are Upper Cervical providers.
So what you're saying is you can't say “oh, I tried chiropractic and it didn't work for me.”
No, no, no, you cannot do that.
Dig a little deeper is what I'm hearing.
A hundred percent. All you have to do is look into Upper Cervical chiropractic. In - I'll say in my case, in our case, Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractic, but there are a couple of handfuls of wonderfully oriented and very research oriented Upper Cervical techniques that work incredibly well for things that are - that people - that unfortunately people go through all of these different hoops throughout - potentially throughout a lifetime of suffering with that could be right under your nose.
Yeah. Yeah. And I think if you're listening to this and you have questions. Contact me, or maybe contact you. I feel like maybe I have more time to talk because I don't see patients.
Clearly I like to talk.
Or you have to, okay, you take time to talk. Okay, so if you have questions, contact Dr. Pokorski.
Sure.
Contact me, and we'll put you in touch with the right kind of doctor.
Yeah, absolutely.
Is that fair?
Wonderful, yes. Absolutely.
Thank you so much.
My pleasure, this was fun.