EPISODE SUMMARY
Guest: Dr. Margaret Shreve
Dr. Margaret Shreve was 11.5 years old in July 1989 -and had no idea why her parents chose to move to Spartanburg, SC from Key West, FL. 15 years later, she was enrolled at Sherman College of Chiropractic, 10-15 minutes from her home. . As a child, she didn’t dream of being President, going to space, fighting fires, or teaching school. She wanted to know: “Why do my legs and feet take me wherever my mind wants to go?”
Not only does she now know how the body functions, she has been given the awesome calling to work with the human body on a daily basis, and, yes, help people walk wherever they want to go. And so much more.
Her journey as a chiropractic patient began at the age of 14 when she was t; suddenly” unable to transition from sitting to standing, or vice versa, due to excruciating, debilitating pain”. My father would have to get her out of school early and take her to the chiropractor. The first three chiropractors attempted to bring relief by adjusting the area of pain, but the issues only worsened, despite their sincere, best effort. A family friend referred her mother to a fourth Chiropractor. His report of findings included the following life-changing statement;” Your problem is not where your pain is. Your problem is at the top of your neck”.;
By age 16, her health had been transformed dramatically. She told everyone she met to have a chiropractor for life. She had been given back my life. Now she is not just a chiropractic patient and advocate. She is a chiropractor in her 15th year of practice.
She is grateful to God for Upper CervicalChiropractic and for the privilege of sharing it with others. It is exhilarating and fulfilling to see other lives impacted in the same way hers was.
Dr. Margaret Shreve provides principled Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractic care for all ages but finds it especially fulfilling to take care of newborns and the elderly.. Upper Cervical Chiropractic Care for newborn babies can change the lives of the child and their families.
To Contact Dr. Shreve:
Phone: 864-395-0456
Email: sunshinechiropracticsc@gmail.com
FB/IG: @drmargaretshreve https://www.facebook.com/drmargaretshreve
To contact Ruth, go to https://www.blairclinic.com
ruth@blairclinic.com
https://www.facebook.com/rutelin
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Welcome, welcome, welcome to What Pain in the Neck, the podcast. Across from me is a really neat lady who is a dedicated doctor. I'm going to have her introduce herself and start by telling us her journey of how it all started. Welcome. Why don't you start by saying your name and then go from there?
Okay. Thank you for having me. My name is Dr. Margaret Shreve and I live here in Spartanburg, South Carolina, where we're recording, not too far from Sherman College of Chiropractic.
Is that where you went to school?
That is where I went to school. Almost 15 years ago I graduated.
Why don't we back way up and start from the beginning of that journey?
Okay. Very good. That journey started in 1989 when my family moved here from Key West Florida which was such a strange transition. It would be just a few years until I found out why it was a blessing that we moved here. I was 11 years old when we moved, and by age 14 I was having debilitating pain, primarily in my low back, and my father would have to come and pick me up from school and literally carry me out of school because I couldn't either sit down or stand up due to pain and spasms.
If you couldn't sit down or stand up, what did you do?
Well, it would hit me and I would get stuck and so then they would call my dad to come get me. Most of the time I was able to move around okay.
How often would these hits happen?
This started when I was 13 where it was intermittent, and by the time I was 14, 14 and a half, it was daily.
Wow. When you say intermittent, what are we looking at? Every day? Every week? Every month?
By the time I was 14 and a half, it was pretty constant and I would be missing school. Coming from a family, it was pretty heavy on the holistic type care. My grandmother, just for an example, she cured herself of cancer twice by juicing. Lived to the age of almost 90, passed away of natural causes. My amazing family didn't take me--
Amazing.
I'm very thankful for that. My family didn't take me to medical doctors for this. I had a classmate whose father was a chiropractor, so they took me to him. Three different general chiropractors tried to help me and I actually just got worse with what is considered traditional chiropractic treatment.
When you say traditional chiropractic treatment, can you describe what kind of care you got?
Yes. First of all, no X-rays were taken. That's something I would find out later was super important. No X-rays were taken and I was being treated for the area of complaint. Since my low back is where I was having pain, that's what was being adjusted. I was being not just manually adjusted, I was being put on roller beds, the stim, e-stim, those kinds of things were being done. All of it put me into actually more pain and more spasms, and I got to where it was a constant thing. My problem progressed due to the type of care I was getting.
What you have told me so far, I have two questions. I know this is your story, but I'm going to actually get back to chronologically what happens next. Second, because my pressing question here is if your low back hurt, why would it be bad to focus on the low back?
That's a great question. That's a question that every patient asks that comes to an upper cervical chiropractor.
If you go in and hurt somewhere, why is it bad to treat what hurts?
A family friend referred us to a fourth doctor. This is how I'll be able to answer your question. A family friend referred us to a fourth chiropractor, and this one took X-rays. They were general X-rays, not the specific upper cervical X-rays that we are familiar with now, but he identified from that, that my primary problem was a lot of injury in my neck.
But you had pain in your low back.
But I had pain in my low back. That was the number one thing. Under him is how I came to know that the pain in my back was actually a gift to me and that it came at such an early age.
A gift?
Yes.
That's backwards so explain more.
I know. It was the thing that put me on my path to healing and to discovering this amazing profession. When he told me my problem was somewhere other than my pain, I remember I didn't really care. I was 15 by that time. I didn't really care what he's-- It's just that he could help me.
Reasonable.
My pain started going away quickly under his care, but within six months I started going back to him on my visits and asking him things like, "With what you're doing," and I started telling him all the things that were changing. I would tell him, "What about the fact that when I used to jump on the trampoline and do flips, I would lose bladder control and that is healed? I don't have that anymore."
Oh. [laughs]
I had never told him that. I just started healing. He said, "Absolutely," and he explained it. I said, "Well, what about the fact that I wet the bed till I was eight years old? At eight years old, it seemed like it just resolved." He explained how the two were related. It just showed up years later in a different format. He started teaching me how the body heals. I asked him about panic attacks and anxiety and heart palpitations, all of which had started at age five and had never resolved. I just taught myself how to deal with it through breathing, and I didn't have to do that anymore. I could sleep through the night without a panic attack and heart palpitations.
Wow. If you had all these things growing up, did you tell your parents? Did you get any advice or any follow-up from any of that stuff?
That's the puzzling thing. I never did tell my mother. She was really big on stay in your own bed at night and all of these things really seemed to express themselves at night. I remember I never did tell her a lot of these things that were going on. Of course, she knew about the bedwetting. She had to deal with it. She knew that I always had headaches. I ate baby aspirin like Tic Tac.
She never took me to the doctor for those things. I only went to the doctor for the routine vaccinations. I grew up with a lot of constipation, a lot of sensitivity to food. At first, she thought I was just a picky eater. I was actually very thin. Now we would probably say somewhat failure to thrive. A lot of mood swings, irritability, things that now as an upper cervical doctor, I know when I see a child come in in that state, or an adult, that they're probably subluxated and can heal.
Well, subluxated, what is that?
Ooh, that's a big question.
A big word, right?
That's a big word. That is a term that describes the misalignment of a bone in the spine. A vertebrae that actually puts irritation on nerve tissue to the extent that it changes its function. This only happens in a specific area, which is at the very top of the spine right under the head where the brain stem is.
All these things that you described from bedwetting to mood swings to anxiety to digestive issues, to headaches, to back pain, all came from that. In your case, it all started to heal all at once, or one thing at a time, or up and down, or did it help some things and not other things, how did that process work?
That's a great question. This brings us back to why it was a gift that we moved here because the care I really needed to heal completely would not have been available to us there in Key West. Most of the things started to heal up nicely without the specific adjustments that are possible. I started to develop some symptoms that I hadn't had before. Some things became worse, and one thing that became worse was the type of headaches I started having migraines.
Oh my.
I had migraines to the extent that occasionally if I looked down, I would lose vision for about five-ten seconds, everything would be totally black. That's not entirely because I wasn't getting the best care available, it was because I was still a very active person. Riding horses, roller coasters, doing the things that don't make the body stronger, especially when it's already injured.
It wasn't until I got to chiropractic school many years later and learned about what upper cervical care is and what was actually being addressed that healed me, that I realized there was something more. That would've been 10-11 years later, and I finally got under care with an upper cervical chiropractor, and that was when some of the really serious things like the migraines that were just debilitating, those healed, and I'm no longer a migraine sufferer.
How was that different?
Oh, that was different because number one, it really didn't matter what kind of pain I had or where it was or what I thought was causing it, what mattered was that the doctor was trained and dedicated to take a very thorough exam, very specific x-rays that left no stone unturned about what was going on. When I say that, I mean, what are the injuries that are there? What is the adjustment that is most specific and beneficial for my body so that my body can get the healing that it needs.
How often did you need to go? How long did it take before you notice a difference? Did you need to be adjusted all the time? Can you talk a little bit about what that was like?
Sure. When I got my first adjustment there was a certain amount of relief that came immediately. The episodes of pain and migraines and the different things became less frequent. There's different types of triggers for those things, and so those things all have to start to heal. The most immediate effect of the adjustment was that everything improved, there was a dramatic improvement, but it took more time for everything to heal completely. Because the migraines weren't just being triggered alone by the misalignment of the bone.
Setting it didn't just fix it immediately, it was also making other parts of my body sick. Things like my menstrual cycle were very disrupted by the injury that was there, and the adjustment may have alleviated some things immediately, but the hormone imbalances that had to balance themselves out, that had to heal naturally, that stuff takes longer, it just does, and so the trigger of a migraine from the hormone imbalance persisted longer, and I had to take years to heal out of some of those kinds of things.
Yes, it's actually one of the things that I have noticed with migraine patients being in the background and seeing lots of patient cases, it seems like migraine is one of the things where upper cervical really helps a lot, but it's also a lot of times more complicated and more long term.
Yes.
For migraine sufferers, it's really important to have a certain sticktoitiveness with the treatment.
Yes, and the reason for that is just to put it simply.
Yes.
The problem has been there a lot longer than the migraines have been present, so the migraines, like the low back pain, might be the huge thing, interrupting and disrupting your life, once those go away, your body still has all those other years of healing that have to take place. It might be silent or not as noisy as far as the amount of pain you're in.
As a doctor, what would you recommend? How would we know? You're saying by the time the migraines come, the problem has been there a long time, so how do we know?
How do we know-
If we have a problem if the migraines are going [unintelligible 00:15:19].
Oh, that's such a great question.
Is there a way to avoid it?
Yes, just to go back even further in my story, I was born cesarean.
Okay.
All infants should get checked by a qualified chiropractor. Birth can be traumatic, especially the way we're doing it traditionally now in the hospitals and things, but I was born cesarean, which is very injurious to the baby's neck.
Yes, okay.
Because they pull by the head and twist, so it creates a lot of potential for injury there.
Do you think you were injured at birth?
At birth, absolutely. From the number of babies, I've adjusted who were born cesarean and within hours or days of their birth, you can see that it's very likely and there's been studies shown. Anyway, then of course I was a very active child. I was a tomboy, I was into everything. Never broke a bone, never had stitches, but definitely took a lot of blows. I know that my problem started way early in life just by the progression of things growing up.
Okay.
How do you know?
Yes.
What do you need to do?
Yes.
Everyone should get checked by a qualified doctor. The best thing-
How do you define that?
How do I define that?
Yes, what's a qualified doctor?
The best chiropractic care you can receive is from an upper cervical chiropractor. They analyze the spine in a very specific way, in the most specific way. It leads to the best healing, the best healing usually involves the least amount of treatment, and that's what you're usually going to get with an upper cervical doctor. They're going to adjust you more specifically, which will require less treatment, more monitoring.
Yes, so there's no popping, twisting, or jerking?
No.
Very few adjustments overall?
Very few adjustments overall. You'll find that a lot of visits don't include an adjustment. Once you start understanding and experiencing the healing, those are the most exciting adjustments, especially when you're symptomatic and you go in and the doctor talks to you about how healing can sometimes involve some of the symptoms that you wanna get rid of.
Huh.
You realize, okay, I'm on the right path, I'm going the right direction.
I'm going to reverse the story back to you were in chiropractic school, so you're taking classes to learn to do this, right?
Yes.
Talk about that, what that did to you as a student, and how that journey went, you started learning the upper cervical techniques at school, right?
Correct. I didn't know what upper cervical chiropractic was until I got to school and took classes that taught us about it. I'd never heard the term. I just knew that my chiropractor had said where my main problem was, it was in the neck. When I finally started hearing this term, upper cervical, and learning what it meant in the profession and what was available I immediately knew that that is where my healing had come from. I started studying it and delving into it and learning just how important it is to address that area specifically and carefully and excellently.
What's involved in deciding not only to be a chiropractor, but to be an upper cervical chiropractor? What's that education like? What's the process like? What did you have to go through to do that?
Upper cervical care has become something to specialize in.
Yes.
It was an elective, those classes were all electives. Those were things that you studied in addition to your normal class.
Talked about you getting care in chiropractic college, chiropractic college comes to an end and you graduate as a doctor and start your practice, tell me about that.
I'd like to continue some of my story into that part because it became very significant. I'd like to tell two stories that help us understand why the specificity is important and why it's important that you not get adjusted too much.
Okay. Interesting
Yes. Once I got into practice and moved away, was practicing in another state, and the doctor that was taking care of me was also a new graduate. Same training as I had. Interestingly, it became obvious that I wasn't doing well. I was getting adjusted too often. I started getting very, very sick again, and started having some new issues and things that I hadn't had before.
I spoke with another upper cervical chiropractor in Atlanta and started telling him a bit of my story and asked him if he'd checked me out. I went to visit him, drove there to visit him, and I told him what was going on. I was starting to have significant issues. I couldn't ride in the front seat of the car, I had to sit in the back seat because of headaches. If the car had a pothole, I'd explode into a horrible headache. There was some instability.
That's intense.
In between all the healing that had taken place earlier in my life, there had been a new whiplash and a new horse accident, so I had some new instability going on. I wasn't getting the high level of care that I needed, honestly. I was being adjusted too often. I started having a lot of internal problems. I had a bit of a scare that it was going way worse than it ever had. It was affecting my organs. I was having eruptions in my skin. It was a lot of suffering. I couldn't sleep.
I went and talked to this doctor and he asked me what had been going on, and I told him. I told him how I could get five to 15 minutes of relief after an adjustment.
That's it.
Which led to me getting over adjusted. He gave me a challenge, and he said to me, "I'm not going to touch you." Let's listen to this. I drove from Tennessee to Atlanta, Georgia to see a doctor and at the appointment-
He didn't do anything?
He said, "I'm not going to do anything." He didn't take any X-rays, he didn't do anything. He heard my story and he said, "You have to go 30 days without being adjusted. If you interrupt that with an adjustment, it starts over. After 30 days of no adjusting contact me and I'll tell you what to do." I went 30 days without any type of care. In that 30 days, I started digging in and doing a lot of nutritional stuff. Juicing and those kinds of things to boost myself where I could. He said, "Don't do anything else, just go live healthy, but no adjusting." At the end of 30 days, he referred me to another upper cervical chiropractor. I had to drive three hours to see this gentleman. One way, three hours.
It's common to get good upper cervical-
Very common. Yes.
Upper cervical care, which is why we're here teaching.
About this.
My husband's teaching chiropractic students right now who want to become Blair doctors. Our goal is to not have people have to travel three hours. In our practice, we see almost half our patients travel two hours or more.
I have seen that. Over the last 14 years of practice, I have seen people driving hours to get there.
I derailed this a little bit.
That's okay.
Back to your story.
I got one adjustment that day. I think I held that first adjustment for at least a month, and I was seeing him twice a week. After I'd held that adjustment for a month, he started letting me come once a week because of the drive. Then I started not doing so well.
Huh. Again?
Yes. I started not holding my adjustments longer than that, and it just wasn't progressing. We thought maybe it was the drive. We made the decision that I would drive four hours to another doctor who was closer to where my family lived, then I could stay with them overnight, get checked the next day, make sure I was holding, and then go home. This created a situation of 10 hours round trip of driving to be seen. This was how dedicated I was to this care. I'm thankful for this experience because then when a patient sits in front of me, and this is what's being asked of them, I can recommend it in all consciousness. [crosstalk]
Was it worth it? Where are you at?
It's absolutely worth it. Where I am now today is I can in full faith tell a patient that the healing is possible and that it's coming. I live without any of those things. I've completely healed out of it. That was 11 years ago.
In the meantime, you have been been using that experience to heal other people?
To heal other people. To be confident in what's possible for them because I've lived it. Basically the research was done on me. [laughter] I proved it.
Yes. That's good. Why don't you tell us just a few of your favorite stories that you personally have seen in your practice and what you really enjoy doing the most.
Some of my favorite stories are the two extremes. My two favorite stories involve infants. One, a friend of mine, her husband was in chiropractic school at the time, and they were having their second child, and they asked me if I would give their baby when he was born, give him his first adjustment. Of course, I agreed. We didn't know that it was going to be a kind of an emergency situation. It turned out it was a breach birth in labor for hours and hours until they figured out it was a breach birth. The baby was five hours old when I got to adjust him, and we took video of it. When that baby's atlas was set, you could see the light come on.
What did you see? Describe that. I know we don't have video, but talk about-- you could see the light. What did you see?
The baby just was lying there in his mother's arms. Not still in the sense of not being alive, but there was just really no movement, no activity. When the baby's atlas was adjusted, a glow just came over him and there was a short cry because it was uncomfortable. The baby was just in a lot of discomfort because of the birth bruised and all of that would show up. Bruises would show up later. A light came around him and he gave this little cry, and you could just see the fidget and hear the anxiety in his little cry. Then within just like two seconds, it all just calmed down. There was this little sigh and he was then sleeping. You could see that his body had gone into a state of ease and he was resting.
That's beautiful.
It was amazing. I've watched that video so many times just to say, "Wow, did I really see that? Wow." It was a miracle for that baby. Then another one was-
A miracle for that baby, but also for the parents.
Yes, absolutely. We all know that if that baby hadn't gotten that adjustment, then his journey of healing out of his traumatic birth would've been much longer and more arduous.
Okay, so the other story.
The other one was a mom and dad. They had an emergency unplanned cesarean birth. The whole family was under care. Grandma and grandpa were under care, mom and dad, four kids, and here's baby number five. Three-days-old they brought the baby in and he got his first adjustment, just thriving from the get-go. That was super exciting. I felt such a sense of peace about my own journey in that moment, because if I had been adjusted as a baby three-days-old after my cesarean birth, what would've been the difference in my life?
Then also thinking about how much gratitude I have for the journey I did because then as the patient who sits across from me with a sick child, or maybe they don't realize their child could have that journey, what could they avoid? Or the adult that sits there suffering. It's hard to understand why all these crazy, random symptoms, I'm on all these medications, all these things are happening and nothing's working. I can relate to them and I can empathize with them and give them hope where they don't have hope.
You've taken your pain and turned it around and yet admonishing parents to get their kids test, so they don't have to suffer. Even though you have used to suffering for something good. I feel precisely the same. I was very sick as a child and I can trace it back, similarly to a neck injury. I had my babies checked right away, so that they could avoid the same thing.
Absolutely.
If we start them as children, they don't grow up with the weakness of the injury. Which means they heal faster out of everything, they're stronger, and they thrive more.
Are you mainly taking care of babies?
No, I see all ages.
All ages.
All ages. I really love taking care of the elderly. A lot of times, seniors, older people come in and they haven't had any care, or maybe they haven't had specific care and their healing potential is limited. They have had these injuries for so many decades. It's of joy to take care of them and encourage them, even though a lot of it is limited for them.
Yes, but still the help and the relief is--
Yes, to watch them heal so much. It's amazing what a 60, 70, 80 year old can actually accomplish when they're set in the right direction.
A couple of things that always motivates me, same as you, I've seen the same thing, is B. J. Palmer, The Developer of Chiropractic said, "Where there is life, there is hope." Dr. [unintelligible 00:30:34] who was my doctor when I started, when he was asked what age range does he see, he would answer, "You have to be born first and you can't be in a box, but in between there, I can help you."
[laughter]
Absolutely. I'd like to share one other thing. The other story I was talking about from my practice, this will help for people who don't understand why X-rays are necessary. This is an extreme example, but it's a really good one.
Great point. Please do tell.
First of all, the X-rays are necessary because they give us the most specific information. First and foremost, are you in the right place, is this what you need, and is it safe to adjust you?
All valid questions.
Important stuff.
Elaborate.
In my first practice, I've been in practice maybe three, four months that a gentleman came in, just demanding care. That's okay. When people are in a lot of pain, it changes their personalities. It sometimes makes them unpleasant. We understand that. We know that that can change. He was demanding care. He was refusing X-rays. When you are new at something, you better have some principles to stand on because you might get pushed around a little bit by someone who's forceful.
Well, I had principles and I stuck by them. I let the gentleman know, I said, "You're welcome to go to a chiropractor who does not take X-rays, but in order to get care here, I must take X-rays. You're welcome to go somewhere else, if you want to stay, let's go ahead with X-rays." He finally gave in fine. We shot the X-rays. It's very common in upper cervical work that your X-rays take place and you come back for a report because there's extensive analysis and reading of the X-rays that's necessary.
What you're saying is you take a lot of time looking at the X-rays?
Yes, absolutely.
That's why a lot of times it's the second day before the patient comes back.
Before you come back. Absolutely. This day I looked at the X-rays-- and that gentleman got his report immediately. What I found was he had had a surgery in his neck and the screws were broken.
Oh, wow.
This was at a very high level. This was at the top, the second and third bone. Which is very unusual to have a surgery there. It's very uncommon. Those screws were broken, both of them.
Wow.
They were two screws and they were broken in half.
What would've happened if you had adjusted him without the X-rays?
Worst case scenario, it could have been very bad for him. It could have been very bad for him. It could have ended his life. It could have paralyzed him.
What did happen to this guy? [unintelligible 00:33:43]
Before I went out and saw him, I burned a copy of his X-rays to a cd. I took those to him and had him sign this. I let him know immediately. I took him into the consultation room, and let him know. I said, "Look, yours previous surgery is compromised. The screws are not stable. They appear to be broken and you need to go back to your surgeon immediately. This is an emergency. You need to contact his office and find out what it is he wants you to do, is he sending you to ER? This is out of my hands now." I told him, I said, "The best thing that ever happened for you is that we took these X-rays." He was, of course, shocked, horrified, and scared, but also very grateful. I was very relieved when he left my office. [laughs]
Actually, it's interesting. It's rare that these kind of things happen, but I think most upper cervical doctors that I have talked to have a story or two of this kind of serious situation. That's why that imaging is just all important.
It is very often that I share that story when I talk with students, chiropractic students, sometimes with patients, a lot of times with other doctors. It's important for us to hear these stories as well because we have to stick to the principle of our training and understand why we do what we do.
We're coming to an end here, but before we close, I want to find out is there something I haven't asked you about that you really would like to share?
Yes. There's two things. One, get checked, get your family checked, get your friends checked, bring them, invite them to come. You might not even be sick yet. That's the time to do it. I've had so many cases. Cases that fail with a neurologist. They come. The healing is so slow. If the patient can endure the time it takes to heal out of something that is so severe, they end up in a neurologist's office, it can be a young person, it can be a small child, it can be an adult, and you don't want to get to that point, but that person you know who is at that point, take them, go pick them up at their house, take them and find them, bring them.
The healing is possible, but you don't want to have to get there.
You don't want to have to get there.
I get it.
The beauty of it is the ones that do heal, the ones they take that information back to their neurologist, it opens doors. It opens a lot of doors. There's a wide span of conditions that come without symptoms. There's a wide span that come with them. Just take advantage of what's available. Do it. [crosstalk]
Right now. I like it. To get checked right now they can contact me or they can contact you.
Sure.
How do people get a hold of you?
How do people get ahold of me? Do you want to get my information and put it in the-- do you have podcast notes? Do you do that?
Yes.
That would be the easiest way. Then there's also a great resource-- there's a couple of different ones. The one that comes to mind most quickly is uppercervicalcare.com. Is a patient resource to find a doctor near you. Then beyond that, there's a lot of other websites.
There's also a blairchiropractic.com that will help you. It has a button, find a doctor near me, you put in your city or zip code and then it shows you your options.
Absolutely. Even contacting one of those doctors, they may know somebody closer to you that isn't listed. Reach out to someone who knows what they're talking about and they can often direct you.
Also I know doctors that are not necessarily listed, so if you don't find someone in those two places, you can contact me.
Perfect. Beautiful.
You said the first thing was get checked. The second thing was?
Refer your friends and family.
Oh yes. [crosstalk]
Absolutely.
You did cover them both. Get checked yourself. Then when it works for you, tell someone else.
Don't delay. Go be a missionary.
That's beautiful. That is really your story. You were sick, you found something that helped, and now you're helping others by being a doctor. Most of us won't go through that whole rigamarole of-
True.
-becoming doctors ourselves, but we can help our loved ones find the best doctor.
I was 16 years old and my chiropractor said, "Margaret, you get this." I was already reading X-rays with him, studying with him, and shadowing him. He said, "You have to do this." It was 10 years later when I actually went to school. I had to grow up and warm up to the idea of going through all of it too. I'm really glad I did. It found me and called me. I couldn't get away from it.
Well, it's been an absolute pleasure. We will put your contact information in the show notes. Thank you for sharing your story. I just know that someone who listens to that is going to find the same or similar kind of help that you've found.
That's wonderful.
Maybe you've even inspired a young lady to get the confidence to go and become a healer herself.
That'd be wonderful. Thank you so much for inviting me, Ruth. It was wonderful. Nice to meet you.
Likewise.
Thank you.