EPISODE SUMMARY
Guest: Linda Jones
Linda came down with Covid in 2020, and it just seemed like the regular flu . She was almost through her recovery and quarantine when suddenly, she woke up one morning and was experiencing a very deep depression. She felt like she was hearing things. She thought she was having something like Schizophrenia. She did not want to be awake. She called her doctor and told her what was happening. The doctor thought it was a long-hauler symptom of Covid and had been seeing it more and more and immediately put her on anti-depressants. It took a while to tell any difference. She felt a heaviness and felt like her brain just wasn’t functioning properly. She did not want to be on medication forever.
Linda started researching long-haul Covid symptoms and came across a video by Amy Grant and she was talking about Cereset. Cereset is a non-invasive brain technology that uses your own brain waves converted into sound and sends it back to your brain to help rebalance the brain. In her case, COVID symptoms of depression were causing her brain to be stuck, and she was not able to function. Linda visited their headquarters in Scottsdale, Az, with a friend to experience it for herself. They went through about five sessions, which consisted of sitting relaxed in a chair with sensors on their heads, similar to an EEG. Then while sitting in the chair, they been hearing their own brain waves, and the brain naturally wants to rebalance and reset.
At first, Linda didn’t feel any different and wondered if it worked, but the very first night, she slept very well, even though she had been dealing with some sleep issues even before the depression. By the end of the 4th week, she realized that she didn’t feel dependent on medication and didn’t feel stuck in her brain anymore. She felt better physically and was able to make decisions easier. The sadness and voices were gone.
Linda and her friend realized that everyone needed Cereset and decided to open a franchise in Lubbock, Tx, in December of 2021. Cereset is the only neurotechnology that works with a medical university. Linda says, “ Being healthy is a whole-body experience. It's mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual. I feel like that is the whole gamut, and where you do what you do with cervical, which also helps the brain, we do what we do to help the brain when it's out of balance to get back into balance, but then you have to do things to keep it that way. I feel like Cereset can offer hope.
Linda believes in networking with other people to help others. She says,” That's the perfect thing about networking with other people. You just find, "Hey, this person does this, and that's their specialty, and this person does this, and that's theirs." I'm grateful for the Blair Clinic because you helped me with some pain that I was having, and it was a pain in the neck. I think my passion is just helping people. I want to see people healed. I want to see people healthy and whole. If I can help one person, then I've done a great job.”
To contact Linda Jones, go to https://www.thevibrantmind.com/
Linda@lubbock.cereset.com
https://www.facebook.com/lindapinnerjones
To contact Ruth, go to https://www.blairclinic.com
ruth@blairclinic.com
https://www.facebook.com/rutelin
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Welcome, welcome, welcome to What Pain In the Neck, the podcast. I am so excited to be sitting across the room from my dear friend, Linda Jones. We met maybe about a year ago. Why don't you introduce yourself? Maybe talk about how we met, why we met.
Oh, Ruth, thank you so much for having me. It was just so great to meet you. I want to say it was at a chamber event that we may have met, and the first thing I remember is that you had come from California, while I lived in the desert of California just like you, and that was about 12 years that I was there, so right away.
We didn't know each other then.
No. I just felt like we had an instant connection, and then now, here you are, and here I am.
Yes, I did too. I think, actually, it might have been a health and wellness expo that we really started to talk.
I think you're right.
We might have met a few times before that. I think that is the purpose of having you on today, and why I wanted to interview you is our hearts are in the same place, our business is in helping people with some suffering. Pretty early on, you were telling me about some suffering that you were going through that led to your business here in Lubbock. Why don't you start by telling that story?
We all know COVID was real, and back in 2020, I got COVID, like everybody else.
Like so many other people.
It seemed just like the regular flu, and I was on the tail-end of my quarantine and my recovery. Then one morning, I just woke up, and I was experiencing a very deep depression.
Just suddenly?
Suddenly.
Wow.
It just came on out of nowhere.
When you said you were experiencing a very deep depression, what was that? What was actually going on? How did you know you were depressed? What was it actually like?
I hate to say that I was actually feeling like I was hearing things.
Oh, wow.
If I did not understand schizophrenia or something, I would've thought that I was having something like that. It was just I did not want to be awake. Of course, I right away called my doctor and said something is going on. She said I'm getting this more and more, and she thought that I had a long-hauler symptom of COVID. She immediately put me on medication, but, of course, we all know it takes a while for medication to work.
When you're talking medication, you're talking about some antidepressant medication?
Yes, yes.
What did that do to you?
At first, it didn't seem like it was working because we all like to have instant results. It took a while. In the process, I was just really waiting for symptoms to subside. I wasn't really necessarily hearing voices, but it was just as if-- just like my brain was not functioning like it was supposed to. I felt a heaviness. I would describe maybe even a sadness. I felt like I didn't want to be awake because when I was awake it was reality.
Did you sleep a lot?
I did try to sleep a lot. In fact, I wanted to sleep a lot. Waiting for the medication to start, a couple of days went by, and I called my doctor back, saying, "It's not working." Again, we all want some instant relief. She did put me on another medication, something like Abilify that enhances the antidepressant. That seemed to work, and I eventually started looking up long-haul covid symptoms, and many, many people were having the same type of effect.
You started looking it up?
Yes.
What happened? What did you find?
It was interesting. While I was at home and I wasn't able to work during that time, I happened to just click on a link by Amy Grant. I think that nothing is by accident. I clicked on this link by Amy Grant, and she was talking about Cereset.
Cereset, I think this is the first time we've heard that word. Tell us what that is.
Cereset is a non-invasive brain technology that uses your own brainwaves converted into sound and sent back to your brain to help rebalance the brain. Like in my case, COVID symptoms of depression were causing my brain to be stuck on one side, and I just was not able to function. You probably heard of fight or flight, and then you've heard of freeze. I was in a freeze mode.
What you're saying is there should be a balance between freeze or fight or flight?
Right. Yes. Really, she wasn't describing a ton of information about it. She was personally describing her own experience, but that led me on the journey of "I want to know more".
Would you be able to provide the link to that video to our listeners?
Yes, it's actually on our website at cereset.com.
All right. We'll put that in the show notes.
Yes, that'd be great.
What happened after you saw this video?
That led me on the rabbit trail of just what is Cereset, and the Cereset sounded like it was a solution. Of course, I called my best friend Trevor, who is also my partner. We just began a journey of research, and we decided, "Hey, we want to know more." We went to Scottsdale, Arizona, where the franchise headquarters is, and we wanted to experience Cereset and find out really more about it.
Both of us went through what we call five sessions, which I can explain later. It was just an intense sitting-- it wasn't intense. I don't want to use that word because that's not really it. You're very relaxed, sitting in a chair. They look at your brain. Then your brain again converts into sound, and then while you're sitting in the chair, you're hearing your own brain waves, and your brain naturally wants to rebalance and reset.
When you're saying chair, there's some kind of recliner, right?
Yes, it's wonderful.
Then on your head, you have these-- is it EEG probes?
It's similar to EEG. It is probably the same type sensors as EEG.
Does it hurt?
No, not at all. It was very relaxing. You just sat in the chair. You can actually even fall asleep. Trevor fell asleep. I did not.
[laughs] After you had this done to you, what happened to your depression and your symptoms?
I want to clarify, I did not want to be on medication forever.
Were you still on medication when you had this, or had you gone off of it first?
I actually went off of medication with the help of my doctor, and they knew that I was going to try this. I went off before, and it was a gradual thing. I'd probably been off for, I would say, six weeks tapering off. By the time I got to Cereset-- We don't necessarily have to do that. People who want to get off medications maybe have a hard time. In my case, I felt like I could get off, go do the Cereset, and then-- The reason you might not want to be on it is because medication will mask the actual problem. I wanted to really see my brain as it was and to really get to the root of it. I went off of the medication. By the time I got to Cereset in Scottsdale, then I was completely off.
You went there to get treatment?
Yes.
Did you know at that point that you were interested in starting a Cereset center here in Lubbock?
At that time, no. We did not know that we wanted to start it. We did want to investigate it, and we wanted to know more, and we really just wanted to make sure it was legitimate, so we just decided, "Hey, what other ways?"
Try it on yourself first.
Yes. [crosstalk]
What were your results?
At first, I didn't think I felt anything, and I was thinking, "Okay, does this work?" But the very first night, I slept very well.
That's great.
That was a good sign.
Absolutely.
I did have some sleep issues prior to having depression.
Yes, and also, a lot of our best healing happens when we sleep.
Yes, absolutely. That was one thing, but the rest of the things weren't noticeable right away. They were more noticeable later on. Maybe a week, two weeks, three weeks, even four weeks went by, and I realized, "You know what? I don't feel dependent on any medication. I actually don't feel stuck in my brain. Before, I was not able to make decisions, and I didn't have the energy." After that, I noticed that I felt better physically and I was able to make decisions easier.
What about the voices and the sadness?
That was all gone. Now, whether that came through medication initially or not, but none of that happened after I went to Cereset.
How long did it take for you and Trevor to decide to acquire this knowledge and technology and help people here in Lubbock? What was that process, and why don't you describe how all of that happened?
I was working full-time, and Trevor was able to do a lot more research than I was, but between us collaborating, we just realized everybody needs this. There is not one person that doesn't need it.
Okay. Why do we all need it?
Because we in life experience stress, whether it is ordinary stress through work or life situations or through a trauma experience that some of us experience, or even like me, COVID. We see numerous clients that have COVID symptoms like brain fog, but all of us experience some kind of stress that can cause us to feel stuck, or that fight or flight want to run away from a situation. Regardless, we all want better thinking and to feel more balanced.
It was just perfect the way it was designed, and I just can't say enough about how it just helped me to feel that unstuck feeling and move on. Trevor was able to do more research, and about, I would say, five months after, she said, "I think we need to do this." At that time, I was like, "I think we need to," but she was a little more gung-ho. I was a little more apprehensive, but we just kept researching. Then, again, she had family members that she wanted to try it, and so we decided life is about taking risk and we felt like this could benefit so many people, and we decided to do it. In December of '21, we opened our franchise, and that's the beginning.
In Lubbock?
Yes.
Linda, you can provide probably a lot of links and resources for people who would like to research this.
Yes. I would like to say that Cereset is the only neurotechnology that works with a medical university. They came up with this system because the founder, Lee Gerdes, had experienced trauma. He was attacked by gang.
Wow.
He also had depression. Even though physically he healed, mentally he did not. He experienced probably something similar to me, but he struggled for eight years, and he did all things western medicine and just couldn't find an answer. Eventually, because he has a background in mathematics and physics and theology and all those things that make him very smart, he worked with some neuroscientists and neurologists, and they found Cereset.
That's great. I want to dig a little bit into your background as a person that made you drawn to really taking a risk in order to help others. What was it that, a, has motivated you to take care of your own health without going the drug route, and also, what is it that motivates you to keep going on that journey and helping other people?
I think part of that comes from having a mom that had Alzheimer's, and she was really affected for 13 years by having this.
That's painful.
It was very painful. Also, there really weren't any answers. I knew early on after her having this and going through that period of dealing with all the symptoms of Alzheimer's that I really needed to take care of my brain, and that really had to do with mentally and physically. With Alzheimer's, there's nothing except treating the symptoms, but I know that there is much more about our health than just treating symptoms.
That led me on the journey of getting healthier physically and mentally. My dad had cancer, and so too, since that's a family history, I knew that I needed to take better care of my body. Again, I feel for those that go through chemo and radiation, but I want to try and prevent that. I want to do whatever I can to help my body function better.
Yes, if we can prevent it, that's the best thing.
Absolutely.
I think this leads us to how we got together because we work in holistic healthcare. We're looking for the root cause of problems, and we specialize in the upper neck and in the physical trauma. It affects the brain and all of that. Then what you do is another specialty.
Exactly.
I remember when we started talking, we were talking about if we are really specialists at what we do, and you are specialists at what you do, but that's different than what we do. If people have multiple things going on, maybe people can get better faster when specialists in certain areas understand each other and work together.
That's exactly right.
Do you want to elaborate on that?
Yes, I do want to elaborate just a little. Being healthy is a whole-body experience. It's mental, physical, emotional, spiritual. I feel like that is the whole gamut, and where you do what you do with cervical, which also helps the brain, we do what we do to help the brain when it's out of balance get back into balance, but then you have to do things to keep it that way.
What are some of those things?
Part of that, I think, is when you are spiritually balanced. For me, that is having a personal relationship with my Lord and Jesus Christ. For other people, it might be different, but I feel like part of that is a spiritual balance and then the physical side of that. If you're not taking care of your body, then all of these other things can come into play and cause you to be out of balance in other areas, physically, mentally, emotionally. Like with PTSD, you see people who've been in car wrecks, they've had neck injuries, they've had head injuries. We don't fix their body necessarily.
I remember when we were first talking, and you said it does all these amazing things for the brain, but it doesn't fix pain. Right?
Yes, right. It doesn't fix the pain.
That's why it's important that we work together, I feel like.
Absolutely. For someone who might have been in a car wreck and is having PTSD, we can help with the PTSD, whereas you can help with the other effects that they're having.
That's right. When we work together, we can do more. That's why I want to have different experts and friends on here to tell a different side of healing than what I see every day. That's a perfect segue. I want to ask you, what are some of the most favorite stories that you have seen in this time that you have been doing Cereset? Tell us some of your favorite stories that you've seen in your practice or your business.
We have seen so many variations of people, people that have sleep issues and have come to us for better sleep, and maybe for the first time, they get a good night's rest. Also, head injuries. We will see someone that's had a concussion, moderate to mild. Someone who has severe, that would require some special authorization, but people who play sports. We saw a kid that-- I say kid. He's probably 17 or 18.
Yes, that's a kid.
[laughter]
Yes. A kid, definitely. He was released to go back to playing, but he was still suffering from symptoms. He had anger. He had depression. Again, he felt stuck, and he kept saying, "I want to go back." You hear a lot of people talk about being stuck. Once he came to us, he said, "Wow." It's amazing how much better he felt. His testimony is also on our resource page. You can go look at testimonies. People that have had anxiety. I don't understand anxiety, but I do know that they feel their heart racing and a panic that comes over them.
People have gotten relieved from anxiety. Really just people that have had depression and felt like there wasn't hope, they can have hope.
In those situations, you can probably literally see it in their face. Right?
Yes. We often take pictures of before and after, and it's amazing.
You can see the light in the face. You can hear it in the words people speak?
Absolutely.
And feel it, too, right?
Yes, absolutely. I would say that it's not always something that is noticeable right away, but once--
How long does it typically take?
It just depends on the person. Every person is different. It may be something like me. It took a few weeks for me to really realize that I was better, and that was just, "Hey, I'm able to make some decisions I wasn't able to make. I'm not dependent on my medication." For other people, like someone that has anxiety or anger, they might notice something more relief quickly. It also depends on how long has it been that you've been in a long, stressful environment. Sometimes, it takes years that we're in a stressful situation that we need to get out of.
What I'm hearing you say is the more the trauma, the longer it's been there, the more it takes to get out of it, usually?
Likely, yes. That's just because neural pathways are stubborn, and sometimes our brain doesn't want to move or change, but over time, it will. If you are patient and you want to see the results, then it is, but more often than not, they usually start experiencing them right away. We can show that to them by looking at their brain, showing them where they're at.
Interesting. Linda, is there something that you would like to share that I haven't asked you about?
I would just like to say that I feel like Cereset can offer hope. Also, just that if you've maybe tried other things or you are just at wits' end, then we would love to talk to you and have you come in for a consultation.
How does that work? What does the process look like? Talk to the person that going, "This sounds interesting, and I don't know if I want to do that, but maybe feel drawn to what you're saying," or maybe they have a similar story to you, and they call you up. What happens next?
We ask them questions. We cannot see someone who has had seizures. That could be a pre-qualifier. Also, someone that might have schizophrenia, that would probably be someone-- I don't really know all the reasons why we don't see that, but it has something to do with the brain. Otherwise, they call us, and we go through, "Are you on medications?" Because medications might inhibit the effects of Cereset, or maybe they want to come off medications, so they would need to go to their doctor. More often than not, they just need an answer, and we help them try to find an answer.
You do complimentary consultation, or how much does it cost?
Normally, it's $99 to have a consultation.
That's reasonable.
Yes. Then, once they--
Then you get hooked up with the probes on that session, is that right?
Absolutely.
You take a full look at the brain. It's not just a question-and-answer session.
It depends. If they want just a question-and-answer session, we can do that, or we can schedule what's called a baseline, and then they can come in. We can show them exactly what their brain is doing. Then, sometimes you have an aha moment, and you go, "Wow, that makes so much sense why I'm in a fight or flight, or why I'm stuck on this freeze mode." Once they see that, usually, it makes so much sense as to why they want to get out of it.
Then that baseline determines what happens next. Is that how it works?
Yes.
Beautiful. It's based on the data you collect.
Yes. It's such an easy approach because, again, you just come and sit down in a chair and relax. We want you to just feel at ease and just go through the process. Really, it's all about your brain doing the work. We are not doing anything. It is your brain that really wants to heal itself. Much like if you cut yourself, your body wants to heal itself. The brain wants to do the same thing. I just think that's the way God made us.
That's why we get along so well, I think, too. We also talk about here at the Blair Clinic doing the least amount possible and just allowing the body to do the work of the healing.
Exactly.
I think one of the things that we have talked about, too, is if someone suffers from a lot of headache pain or migraines, they may need to get some treatment for that prior to coming to you. Is that correct?
Sometimes. In my case, I had had some cervical issues, and I was having migraines, and that was a great thing. I was able to come to you, and you were able to help me with that. Actually, migraines can be caused from stress. If it's stress-induced, then that can be something that Cereset can help with.
I'm glad you [unintelligible 00:29:04]. Sometimes, they can be more than one thing.
Absolutely.
That's, again, why I'm having you here. It might make sense to come at it from multiple angles because maybe there's multiple causes. When we go to the cause, then we can actually heal up instead of just covering it.
That's the perfect thing about networking with other people. You just find, "Hey, this person does this, and that's their specialty, and this person does this, and that's theirs." I'm grateful for the Blair Clinic because you helped me with some pain that I was having, and it was a pain in the neck.
[laughter]
It was a pain in the neck, okay. [laughs] Like you, I have had some long-haul COVID symptoms that you were helping me with. We'll talk about that maybe in another episode. Linda, what motivates you day-to-day to get up and do this and help people?
Oh, I think my passion is just helping people. I want to see people healed. I want to see people healthy and whole. If I can help one person, then I've done a great job. One of my favorite scriptures is in Isaiah, it's 43:18. It says, "Do not dwell on the past, for behold, I'm doing a new thing. Won't you open your eyes and see it?" What that says to me is having a mindset that looks at what can be, not what is sometimes or what was. God wants you to succeed, but if we're always looking at our past, we can't see what's in front of us. He's the God of new and hope and doings and desires and healing. I just feel like God put me on this earth to help other people. If I'm doing that, I'm having a great day.