EPISODE SUMMARY
Guest: Dr. John Stenberg
Dr. John Stenberg is an Upper Cervical Chiropractor using the Blair Upper Cervical Technique in private practice at Zenith Upper Cervical Chiropractic in Colorado Springs and the host of the podcast: The Atlas of Chiropractic. Dr. Stenberg is a graduate of Life University in Atlanta
His motivation for starting a podcast for chiropractic students and practitioners called The Atlas of Chiropractic. He has had so many conversations with mentors and more experienced Doctors and many times wished others could hear and benefit from those conversations. Today’s technology has made it possible to share these conversations that have helped him grow.
Doctors have different pathways to choosing their are of focus. Dr. Stenberg is a Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractor because he realized the neck is such a freely movable, but highly sensitive part of the spine that injuries in that region can be really devastating to your health. His journey wasf an intellectual one. As he went through chiropractic college, as folks could understand, there's a lot of different ways to practice chiropractic.
Dr. Stenberg journey towards chiropractic happened while he was on track to study to be a dentist when a family member’s health took a turn for the worse and their health was restored through Chiropractc care. Dr. Stenberg decided to investigate and found that although he himself didn’t have health problems, chiropractic helped him see clearer and brighter.
Chiropractic is for the whole family. It is for preventative care and to help with specific health issues.
Dr. Stenberg’s chiropractic journey has been a series of events where he didn't have a clear end goal in mind but I was open and these little inflection points and opportunities and people would nudge him in the right direction. It's how he likes to live and practice now, without too much tension and pressure, because the best things in chiropractic have come my way with openness and peace.
Dr. Stenberg discusses challenges and success stories.
Although it is rewarding to see pain resolve, the real reward is to see people’s lives transformed.
Regarding podcasts: The good thing about doing interviews is it's not about the host. It's about the guests and creating opportunities for guests to share their message. That benefits the listener but everyone else too. Being the host, you just get to ask your questions .
Dr. Stenberg treats his patients the way he wants to be treated and uses the complicated cases to motivate him to continue learning and the success stories to share what is possible. He is mindful that although he sees many patients every day, his patients always sees one chiropractor and he wants that to be a good experience.
To contact Dr. John Stenberg:
https://www.zenithchiroco.com/contact
Instagram https://www.instagram.com/zenith_chiro/
To listen to Dr. Stenberg’s Podcast :The Atlas of Chiropractic
To contact Ruth:
ruth@blairclinic.com
https://www.facebook.com/rutelin
TRANSCRIPT
Welcome, welcome, welcome to What Pain in the Neck. I am Ruth Elder, your host, and I am super excited about our guest today. He's quite a bit younger than me, but I'm sure quite a lot smarter, and he has a lot to do with inspiring me or encouraging me to be a podcast host because he has a podcast that he's had for several years now, and I really love his podcast. I have listened to, I think, just about every episode, and I thought maybe if he did it, maybe I can do it too. I'm here with Dr. John Stenberg.
Ruth, that's so cool to hear because I remember talking to you on a couple of occasions about it in just your heart for getting your message out and being able to connect people with information, which is really what motivated me to do mine too. I said, "Do it. You can do it. You should do it." It's cool to see that you are doing it and I've enjoyed your show too. We approach things from different angles, which I think is great.
Well, that's the whole beauty of podcast, right? You can come at it from every angle.
Yes. There are so many moments that we have as people in our journey and conversations and mentors and situations that align themselves to a point where new information comes across our path. I remember having those conversations with doctors and mentors and folks along my journey, and it's like, "Man, I wish someone else would've heard that bit." Because there's so much value and with technology and how low barrier to entry it can be to get something like this going. It's like, man, what a no-brainer to let people be a fly on the wall for some of these conversations that can really make a difference.
Yes, and I agree. The conversations and the podcasts that I have listened to have helped me so much. Also coupled with when I've started working in chiropractic, I was always behind the scenes. I heard so many conversations between the doctor and the patients, and I felt so privileged to hear about it. It almost feels sacred to me in a way. This is my way of, to a smaller extent, letting you, if you're listening here, participate in that. Also, a common thing that we see, and I'm sure this is true for you too, we'll get into your practice in just a minute here, but what I have seen in our career for 28 years now in working in a Blair office is first, people come in and they've got some problems that the reason they're there is usually pretty serious problem by the time they go and see a specialist. Don't you agree?
Oh, yes.
Then at that time, typically people have tried a lot and they're scared and they're skeptical, and they're thinking, "Okay, am I just wasting my time? Who is this guy? Is it really going to work? Maybe it will make it worse, and maybe it's going to be expensive."
Absolutely.
The fears and the pain is bigger than anything. Then somewhere along the way there's a big transformation and people are better, and the light is coming back to their eyes and they're really excited. Then after that comes, "Why didn't anybody tell me about this sooner?"
We've all heard that in our industry, and I know over the many years of chiropractic going through its own developments and changes in evolution. Not to get too much into the history, but chiropractors have always been very passionate about using the cultural means with media to get their message out. This is just a logical next step to reach people where they are. That's sometimes a challenge for us. One of the cool things about doing this, I like to think about this sometimes it's occasionally I'll meet someone who will say, "Man, I really like your podcast, I've been listening. I've got something out of it."
Then I always like to think about the folks I'll never meet that are out there. It's just could be now, could be sometime way down the road in the future,-
That's true.
-that listen in and they get something out of it. Whether or not they ever get to let me know. I just love the idea that it's out there and it's accessible. From my point of view and my guest point of view, people were able to share their story their message and do it in a way that was authentic. Because in the midst of all these interactions folks have when they're suffering, I hear this a lot in the office, and I'm sure you guys do too. Nobody listened to me, nobody understood me. They lack a connection in an authentic experience.
Doing these conversations like this provides a little bit of a window in behind the scenes to the heart of people doing this thing, and the way that they see their place in the world as providers and healers, but then also the way that they care for people in their communities and are thoughtful with things like communication and treatment.
Yes. Speaking about communication and treatment, why don't you start by telling our listeners a little bit about your practice and what you do? Communicate with us about your practice, and then maybe once you've said where you're practicing and what you're doing, go into why you're doing it and how that all happened.
Absolutely. We all have a story, right?
Yes.
I found that people in this line of work tend to have different paths to their place in this profession. I'm a Blair Upper Cervical chiropractor, so I practice the Blair Technique, which is a system of analysis and adjustment for correcting problems with the upper part of the spine. The way I describe it to patients is really simple. It's such a freely movable, but highly sensitive part of the spine that injuries in that region can be really devastating to your health. My pathway to this type of chiropractic is a little different than folks who have had a personal experience as a patient. You've shared your story on the show, and other folks have shared their stories about their own healing through upper cervical care. That wasn't my journey. My journey was more of an intellectual one. As I went through chiropractic college, as folks could understand, there's a lot of different ways to practice chiropractic.
Yes. Can you back it up just a tad more? How did you even end up in chiropractic college? Who goes to chiropractic college?
Well, exactly. I went my whole way through my undergraduate pre-med degree with a idea that I would go to dental school. I always excelled as a student. Schoolwork came easy to me, and I wanted to help people. Dentistry was really the only thing I had a personal experience with so it made sense. As I was finishing minor undergraduate degree, I saw a family member go through a personal health challenge and did all the conventional medical treatments, did everything right, "right" by the medical standards and just did not get help. I would assume out of desperation more than anything, this person received a referral to a chiropractor from a family friend as many of our patients do. Someone shared their--
Yes, don't you find out that's the majority of your practice?
It's true. I think
Share a similarity to that?
I think there's something unique about a personal experience. You and I can talk about this because we love it and we know it inside and out, but when someone can say, "I was suffering and this person helped me," it just hits in a different way. Through a referral, a family member found their way to a chiropractor's office, wasn't a upper cervical doctor's office, but there was a transformation, and it was really weird to me because I had just studied pre-med, and I knew that this person didn't have back pain, didn't have neck pain, wasn't recently in a car accident. They have very functional GI-related health challenge that was responding favorably to this chiropractic's treatment. I thought, what is he doing?
Yes. That's what blew me away when I first got my first chiropractic job is all the things that people got better from, that I had no idea had anything to do with chiropractic.
That's exactly the point. This guy was the first doctor that introduced our family to this concept that the structure of the body is really impactful on how well it functions. For this member of my family, no one had considered that. No one had evaluated it, and no one had done anything about it. This was low-hanging fruit for making a positive momentum in the body's ability to heal and recover and to repair naturally and to restore health naturally. As I saw this transformation taking place, I'm thinking, what in the world is going on? I've studied anatomy, I've studied chemistry and physics, and biology. I know about the bits and pieces, but I don't understand what's happening. I tagged along to an appointment and said, "I just want to kind of go check it out." I went along and there's two things I remember very distinctly from that visit. Number one was, it was the first doctor's office I've been in where people looked like they were genuinely excited to be there.
Yes. [laughs]
They were leaving, feeling good. They had a great relationship with the doctor. They were laughing and enjoying each other's company. I thought, "Wow, what a different atmosphere."
Yes. It's like a family.
It is, and the second part was after he had checked and adjusted my sister, he said, "Would you like to be checked and adjusted as well?" I said, "Oh no, thank you. I don't have any problems. I'm okay." He goes, "You don't have to have pain or a health emergency to have something that I can help you with." I said, "Okay. That seems reasonable. You're the doctor. Go for it. If you find something, have at it." He laid me down and did his general chiropractic work. I thought, "Okay, that was interesting," but there's a very specific physiological change that I noticed after that that really messed me up, and in a good way.
Do tell.
We were driving on our way to go get lunch or something like that, and were right in the car. I'm thinking, "Wow, these colors, everything looks brighter." My visual acuity improved. I thought, "This is weird. Like things are sharp."
I don't know how many times people have left our office saying that to us. It's like, "Oh, the world has color again now."
What I sensed in that moment, and now I understand, is there was a change in the function of my nervous system and my brain that made my body work better. That sense of sight being improved upon when I had no symptom with it, I had no prior injury or issue with it, it really got my gears turning like what in the world is this chiropractic thing all about? I had one friend that I knew of who knew anything about chiropractic.
He was going to go to chiropractic school to be a chiropractor. I'm in the middle of my dental school applications and things. I got with my friend and I said like, "Let me know what this is about. What's the story with chiropractic?" He told me a little bit from his perspective and his experience, and I just felt like it warranted further exploration. I logged that in my memory bank. Then just a series of events later, my mom actually suggested when I was dragging my feet with my dental school applications, she's like, "You're not really into this. What about chiropractic?"
I thought, "You're right. I did have that experience and it was interesting." That was my entrance into chiropractic. I appreciate a couple of things about my journey. When I got to chiropractic school, I had classmates that were second, third generation chiropractors. They grew up being adjusted. They knew all about it, and I was a clean slate. For me, it was also new and interesting and fascinating that I just wanted to learn it all and experience it all.
That was my pathway into chiropractic and then going through chiropractic education, there's so many things that are coming at you and so many perspectives that you're learning. I remember this is the first time I was regularly under care and I was seeing a general chiropractor and he was adjusting me at least once a week. Students were adjusting me a couple of times a week. We were working on each other a lot.
I remember getting frustrated that it never stuck and as I'm getting later through school, I'm thinking, "I'm about to make a career of this and all these things that I'm getting worked on are not staying, when is anything ever getting fixed?" It was a little bit discouraging but I had some friends that would end up with cervical care and those guys were always the most focused on their training. They took their adjustments very seriously.
They made a point to emphasize that the adjustment should last and were accountable to their care through their objective testing and things. I always noticed those people and what they were doing. When I came to this point of wanting to basically get better results with less adjusting then upper cervical piqued my interest. At that time, the Blair Technique was being taught on campus. I got introduced to the concepts, and then it all fit together.
My whole chiropractic journey has been a series of events where I didn't have a clear end goal in mind but I was open and these little inflection points and these opportunities and these people would come along and just nudge me in the right direction. It's how I like to live and practice now is without too much tension and pressure because the best things in chiropractic that have come my way have come my way with openness and peace.
Oh, I like that.
I've learned to look for that in and seek that in the times when things get a little tricky. I think that for me, in my personality, it makes sense that that would be the path forward. Anyway, I hope that story makes sense and there's obviously so many details that could fill in the gaps but it's hard to sometimes distill it down into the key takeaways.
We can put years and years worth in 10 minutes. There's a couple of questions that I feel like I want to grab a hold of here. First of all, I actually really love your story of going to the chiropractor and deciding, "Okay, I'll follow his advice. I don't know that something's wrong with me," but then you still notice that something was improved. Sometimes we have a problem, especially if it hasn't gone on for too long yet, it's almost like we don't know it until it gets fixed.
Absolutely.
The other thing is you were mentioning dentistry. We don't wait till we have a raging toothache before we see the dentist. We have teeth and we want to take care of them. I feel like the neck is super important, the spine is super important, and we only have one. Let's go and take care of it and maintain it and check it out once in a while.
Absolutely. It really can be that simple. There's so much detail that we can get into with why and how and all that but really for the average person listening, that exactly, that analogy is exactly true and I would also say that--
Or even a car, and you can go out and buy a new car.
Absolutely.
Or your motorcycle.
Absolutely. The thing is that doctor has no idea that that one interaction he had with me kicked off this whole process. I would encourage folks if you're listening and you've had a positive experience, it doesn't have to be a chiropractor, but if a provider or someone has made a difference in your life, I think it's worth letting them know. I know a lot of doctors have such a big heart for people and they worry and they care so much about the folks that aren't progressing the way that they'd expect.
I think it means a lot when we get feedback from patients about how much we've impacted their life. If you have a story like that and there's someone that's done something for you, I would just encourage folks to communicate that. I just got a letter in the mail from a former employee that was totally unexpected and just those little things mean a lot.
That's a good call to action right there. That leads me right to what I wanted to ask you about next. You mentioned when you have difficult cases or whatever, the doctors worry a lot, and I think the better the doctor, the more they worry because I feel like the problems that you have, that's what drives you forward, the challenging cases, and you fret over those and you think about those and you worry about those.
That's actually what makes you a good doctor is that you do care. That's what I feel like oftentimes motivates us, motivates you to study and constantly be better.
Absolutely.
Also, you see results that many people will consider miracles. Can you describe both of those, what is it that you struggle with and also what are your favorite stories?
It's funny because the first thing that comes to mind when you say what do you struggle with was patience. I don't mean patience as in the people coming into the office, I mean being patient enough to let the process of healing play out the way that it needs to.
Dr. Blair actually had a sign in his clinic that said, "Patients be patient."
Yes.
Maybe doctor be patient.
Well, because we know what can happen, and speaking of the miracles and these things we see, it's like you can't unsee some of these things. When a new person comes to your office, you're so eager to see them transform and you're so excited for them to experience that, that I think sometimes I get a little impatient and frustrated. There have been times where I may have readjusted prematurely or I may have just been a little bit too aggressive with treatment to try to force the issue.
I think it's worth knowing that most good things in life come through a process of time and that there's nothing wrong with letting time be on your side and be your friend with healing, even early in practice. I started a practice right out of school which is a little bit of a less common path for cervical chiropractors and the list of people who helped me develop is a mile long and we can talk about some of those folks but I remember even early in practice, the Blair Technique is so good as a system that even without the most experience in the world, you see amazing results and one of the first--
Yes. Even brand-new doctors see amazing results.
Absolutely.
You can maybe give you a call or give me a call or check out the Blair Technique website to find out who those doctors are, even if they're young dudes like you were when you first started. You're not that old now, but you have more experience than you had when you started. It works because it's such a good system.
I gained a lot of confidence in the system even when I didn't have confidence in myself. I knew if I just did the steps the way I was trained and if I followed the way that this is put together, it will help. Even some of my early patients were really complicated. I remember one of my early patients within the first few months of practice was she had petite mall seizures. She had these episodes where she would just kind of zone out for 30 seconds and just be totally consciously out of the conversation, then just come to and jump back in. Well, it turns out she had had one of these episodes and had a pretty bad car accident because she went off the road when she had a small seizure.
Just seeing her get adjusted over a couple of months as a college-age student and seeing her seizures improve and seeing her function improve, I don't think she really got adjusted all that much. It was like, "Wow, that's amazing." When you start to see things like that, it's a feedback loop. That makes you want to train and work harder to get better so that you see more of that and then when you get the frustrating cases. My first patient I would consider, I didn't help him the way that I wanted to. The guy had Menier's disease. Many of our folks know in the upper cervical community what that syndrome encompasses, a bunch of different symptoms.
We have some other episodes. If you want to go deeper in that, you can just search the registry and find some other episodes on that.
Exactly. I remember thinking, "Oh, thank God it's a Meniers guy because he's going to do great and this is a great first patient." He didn't. I've gone back probably every year of the six years I've been in practice and reanalyzed his x-rays, reanalyzed all my exam results, reanalyzed when I adjusted him.
I wouldn't do anything different now, knowing what I know but that experience lit a fire under me to not ever get complacent with the way that you handle each patient interaction. In chiropractic, there's different styles of practice. Some people see lots and lots of patients, others don't see so many patients and there's different styles. I've always felt that no matter how many patients a chiropractor sees in a day, the patient only saw one chiropractor.
That's true.
They deserve the best you can give them all the time. That interaction where I felt like, "Man, I just didn't see the result that I wanted to see and we could have done better and how do we get better?" That really inspired me early on to continue to work hard and it was kind of a come to Jesus moment. This is people's real lives and it's worth us investing our time and energy and effort to help people the way that we know we can.
It's not always going to be a quick fix talking about the process of time required to heal. It's not always going to be a straight path to the result that we want but as doctors, there's so much more than just doing the checks and adjusting. It's working with people and helping them understand and guiding them on a journey of healing that has ups and downs and explaining to them what to expect and how to support them with other referrals and strategies that are going to benefit them. I think over time, I've developed in all those areas.
I think about that guy every time I come up against a time when I don't really feel like trying too hard or I'm may be getting a little burned out on studying. I think about that guy, and it's like, "Man, if I could have a second chance with that guy, would it be different now." You'd mentioned that there are challenges in our journeys and there are these hard moments that spur us on to do better. That was one that was really impactful for me as a young doctor and it's one I won't ever forget.
Thank you for being honest and vulnerable about that. What about the other side? What are some of your favorite stories?
Some of the coolest ones are ones that are I don't know if you guys can relate to this in your office, but every so often I just get a gut feeling about a person and it's like, "This is going to be big." It's like all the testing and all the parameters and everything adds up to this looks like it's going to be a successful outcome, but something in your spirit or your heart goes, "This is the right thing at the right time for this person."
I think of this guy, Nick, he's a big dude. He's an educator. He's a really thoughtful, charismatic guy. The first time we met, he was in such bad shape that he could barely carry on a conversation to get through his consultation. He couldn't stand up to talk to me. He was a portion of a man and was struggling. His family was struggling. His wife was there explaining some of the challenges they were having because of the failure in his health. I was very motivated. He had a cerebral spinal fluid leak. He had some serious stuff going on. We gave him his first adjustment, do my thing.
First adjustment. They come back a few days later for a follow-up check. The guy that walks in the room is a totally different person. The guy's standing up straight, walking tall, his skin is a different color, his eyes are bright, he's crying. He hugs me, "You changed my life. I didn't think that something was going to help. The amount of progress I've made in 48 hours after these last couple of years of suffering is incredible. Thank you, thank you, thank you." I was like those things-- You don't forget that ever.
That's true.
His whole family's been in. He made it a family policy that when the kids get boyfriends and girlfriends, they got to get under upper cervical care. I've taken care of all the kids and their fiancés and the whole crew. It's one of those things that's like, "That's what we do it for." But in the middle of the days when you're working on all your stuff and there's the ups and downs, one of those interactions can go so far. He's the one that I think of because it's impact in the life.
It's one thing to feel good. There's a lot of things you can do to feel better or to minimize symptoms but we see the ripple effect, the way that people's health struggles affect their life, [crosstalk] their families, their relationships, their social lives. Just think about the folks with migraine headaches. They stop going to social engagements because they're afraid to have an attack. The folks that have vertigo and dizziness, they start to opt out of family functions and events. Their performance at work suffers. The way they think about their future and what their life can be is impacted by that.
That's the kind of thing that a lot of folks don't have an answer for. They get in front of an upper cervical doctor and we say, "We think we can help." Then we do help. A lot of times you see that start to build some momentum and some hope, and you see the light come back in people's eyes and the ripple effect then spreads in the opposite direction for good and things in their life improve and in their circle improve beyond what we even see and know about. That concept is very powerful. I think it's one that we have a really unique opportunity to be able to do and see every day.
Yes, I agree. It's meaningful to help people with pain, but it's even more meaningful what you just said there, it's deep. It's restoring someone's life.
As a father and a husband and a friend, that's the kind of doctor I would want to be in front of if someone in my family or myself was having a health crisis, someone that thinks that way about what's important, the important part of their role in my health care. I would love for my doctor to be thinking along those lines. I think it's important to do that for our folks, too.
Dr. Stenberg, we know you think like this. Are people listening who want to come and see you or contact you? Where do they find you?
My practice is called Zenith Upper Cervical Chiropractic. I'm in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and I've got a website, zenithchyroco.com. All of the best ways to connect with me are there.
I will link to that in the show notes.
Thank you. I'm on social media. I do interact there a little bit. I share some professional life, some family life, and a little bit of everything in between there. It's a less formal but accessible way to get in touch with me. Instagram: @zenith_chiro on Instagram. Then you'd mentioned earlier, I do host podcasts as well.
Why don't you take just a few minutes, maybe three or four minutes, and introduce your podcast and who it's for and what it's called, and how to find it? Maybe why you started it. I will if you can do all that in five.
I would love to do it. I would love to go more into that, but we'll keep it brief. It's called the Atlas of Chiropractic Podcast. Formerly called the Blair Technique Podcast. We've gone through a little bit rebranding process. It's a show that I started for chiropractors and students to have access to information. I mentioned my process and all the folks that have helped me. I've had so many doctors and mentors go out of their way to support me and give me nuggets of wisdom and have conversations that meant a lot. I thought, "Man, I wish someone else had heard that." I know someone else could have benefited from that little bit right there, and so started just recording conversations and sharing them.
Basically what you're doing is interviewing top doctors in their fields.
Absolutely.
A lot of it is really interesting and some of it is fairly technical.
Yes. It's definitely geared towards the practitioner, healthcare providers and students. I'll say that it's been a tool for my own personal development. I've learned so much just chatting with the guests and other folks have benefited from it too. The future of that will be more of what I'm enjoying doing, which is having these conversations. There's a passage from the Bible that says people perish for lack of knowledge. I think of so many of the things that I've learned, I just didn't have the right information, the mistakes that I made, I didn't have the right information at the time.
It's not that I didn't care enough or I wasn't willing to work hard enough, I was just missing a key piece of information so my motivation with that podcast was, let's just bring the information to the people, and they can do with it what they need to, but it will create more opportunities to have fewer of those moments where it's like, "Man, I just don't know what information I'm missing." We talk a lot about science and we talk a lot about technique and we talk a lot about the experience of being a healthcare provider or an upper cervical chiropractor, in its many forms and facets but the end goal is to create more pathways to success, whatever that looks like to you with more information at your disposal.
One of the things that intrigues me about your podcast, and maybe you can share a little bit about that, when you started this, you had been in practice maybe two or three years.
Yes. That's about right.
Basically a rookie, right?
Yes.
You have all the top experts and you're having these high-level conversations. I'm curious how that came to be, but also I know from personal experience that starting a practice from scratch and especially when you were young, because people don't trust you when you're a new doctor, typically.
Sure.
Is really hard. Did you really need another thing to do?
I didn't approach it for that reason. To answer your question, no, I didn't.
[laughs] I know you didn't.
I should have been spending more time out in the community educating the people but I've always been a build myself up first kind of person and so I figured that having a connection to the profession was important, make to feel part of it and to have folks that had my back. The good thing about doing interviews is it's not about me. It's about the guests so I can create opportunities for guests to share their message. That benefits me as the listener, but everyone else too. Being the host, I just get to ask my questions and the things that are, you know, on my mind are troubling me.
It's self-serving in one way but in the other way, it's nice to be able to have it, be paid forward as well. I had a partner, a friend of mine, Dr. Kevin Peck, was also helping with it at the time. Our thing was like, "Man, there are so many Blair chiropractors that have so much to offer, and if we could just catalog, some of their wisdom, if we could just leave audio library of some of these amazing things that have been discovered over decades of practice, it's like, that's a no-brainer." It was one of those things where I made the thing that I wanted that I didn't see was out there.
Very good. I will say the doctor that I want to go to is exactly what you said someone who really cares, but also someone who wants to learn and are humble enough to have mentors and to continue learning.
I'll say this. In healthcare, it's very unique to find people like that. It's not uncommon to find folks that want to help. I think most people get into healthcare because they want to help people.
That's true.
Those traits kind of take it to another level. What I've really resonated with in the Blair Chiropractic Community was those values are almost universal and so making things like mentorship and a seasoned doctor who we could flip that and say what's in it for them to have the conversation with me, go out of their way to take time out of their busy day and practice to talk to the young guy who's struggling because of those characteristics.
Because they want to see people get well, they want to see people be successful, they want to share their knowledge, they want to share their ups and downs just like we're doing right now. There's something really unique about that. You get in front of a Blair chiropractor, an upper cervical chiropractor, you know you're in good hands, and if you are searching, Ruth and I will do everything we can to get you in front of the right person.
True.
Please do not hesitate to reach out if you are, you're not in Lubbock, you're not in Colorado Springs, you resonate with some of what we're saying. The technical part of it might be over your head, but you just want to have a conversation. Please reach out to us and we'll facilitate that introduction-
Absolutely.
-the best way we can.
Absolutely. I spend a good portion of my week doing that, talking to people from all over, and I love it actually. Yes.
If you can't help directly, but you can be a connector, that is fulfilling too.
Yes. That's how I see my role mostly as a connector. Dr. Stenberg, I thank you so much for your time. I've asked you some questions and we've talked a lot, but is there something I haven't asked you about or something that we've left out?
I don't think so. I will say, Ruth, I appreciate you doing this too and I really appreciate your invitation and your heart for chiropractic patients as someone who's not a doctor. As rare as it is to find good doctors, to find advocates that support doctors and the partners, the husbands, the wives, the ones that go through this process with us, don't get enough credit-
Oh, thank you.
-for the way that they support us and make it all happen. Hats off to you, and thank you for doing what you are doing to get the message out there. I know it's close, it hits close to home to you. I know it's important to you and your family, but you don't have to do this and so I know you're not doing it for pats on the back, but thank you for your part too.
Thank you. The bottom line for me is I got help because someone told me, and so unless someone talks about it, what was it you said the Bible verse? Say it again.
People perish for lack of knowledge.
Yes, let's end it there.
Thank you. I appreciate it again and I'd love to talk with you so you can share more about your story on my show sometime, and-
I'd love that.
-we'll share that with the audience.
Thank you so much.
You're welcome.