EPISODE SUMMARY
Guest: Drs. Derek and Andrea Barrett
Husband and wife Doctor Team practicing at Barrett Chiropractic in Wichita, KS, since July 2019, focusing on Upper Cervical Chiropractic. They both have a similar upbringing and background and were individually motivated to pursue chiropractic as a means of helping more people with their health. After looking into several healing professions, chiropractic felt like the right fit. The philosophy and chiropractic and their background as athletes came together to form this path.
. They wake up together and go to work together. They work together throughout the day. They go to lunch together. They work out together and come home together.
One of the bigger reasons for focusing on the upper cervical neck is that we don't want to adjust that every visit. We'll do a full examination, postural orthopedic, and neurological exam. Thermography scans are performed on their neck, and we have Cone Beam CT in our office. 3D view of the upper head and neck area just so we can get the best, most precise analysis so that when we are ready to place that first correction, the patient is getting our best based on their anatomy.
The goal is to make a correction that we want to stabilize and start to hold. If somebody was to come and we do an analysis, and we do different tests, and we decide, "Hey, today we're going to leave this area alone.
Both Doctors share their joy in treating Ménière Disease. It's a disease that can cause a lot of different things within the body and a lot of stress, but it will cause dizziness, nausea episodes, and brain fog to the extent that they can't even think and get through their day when they're having these episodes. Just very debilitating for them. Vomiting and many other things can come with that too, and usually also a lot of vertigo or tinnitus, which is ringing in the ears.
Living life to the fullest and getting your life back is really what it's all about. The focus is on the activities of daily living. Of course, it’s a goal to help people get out of that chronic pain or other issues, but at the same time, just getting that day-to-day activity back and being able to live your life and do the things you enjoy is so, so crucial. That’s the main focus at Barrett Chiropractic.
Drs. Barrett are committed to improving their skill just like an elite athlete would. It takes about 10,000 hours to be an expert in anything.. The more dedicated hours we put into that practice, the better care we can give our patients. The better love and everything else we can implement into their system to help them be the best possible.
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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Welcome, welcome, welcome to What Pain in the Neck Podcast. I'm so excited to introduce, not just one guest, but two guests today. We are here at the Blair Chiropractic Clinic in Lubbock, Texas, but my guests are not from Lubbock. Why don't we start? Derek, why don't you introduce yourself, and where you're from, and why you're here?
Yes, absolutely. I'm Derek Barrett. We're from Wichita, Kansas. We're here doing our training for the Blair Technique this weekend. Dr. Gordon has given us some good information and we're just building upon that.
Great. Then who's my other guest today? Why don't you introduce yourself?
I'm Andrea Barrett. I'm from the Midwest originally, born and raised. Same thing, here to just learn more knowledge and become a better doctor.
Yes, so you are doctors, husband and wife, doctor team. What's your clinic called and where is it located?
It's located in Wichita also, so on the west side of Wichita. It's known as Barrett Chiropractic.
Barrett Chiropractic. That makes sense.
[laughter]
That makes it easy.
Yes. We are husband and wife. We've been married just coming up on a year here at the end of April, but we've been together for about eight years. Started our practice, probably we're coming on four years at the start at the end of July. We opened in 2019 of July.
Super. What kind of chiropractic do you practice?
Upper cervical.
Upper cervical. You do mostly Blair?
Yes, mostly Blair. We, originally, started knee chest. That's when we got into upper cervical, which we can go into that in a little bit, but mostly Blair right now.
Yes. A lot of people that listen to this may not know that there's different types of chiropractic at all.
Right.
Much less that there's different types of upper cervical. I don't know if we will get into that or if we'll run out of time, but that, certainly, is interesting to go into, whether it's at the end of the episode or at a later time.
Sure. Absolutely.
I would just want to find out-- Andrea, why don't we start with you?
Yes, of course.
What got you interested in becoming a chiropractor? Did you always want to be a doctor?
Very good question. I knew, especially throughout my younger years of college, that I wanted to be a doctor. I knew I wanted to help people, but I just wasn't sure what route would offer that best for me.
You're talking about college, but what about when you were a little kid?
When I was a little kid, again, I just always had a big heart. [chuckles] I knew I wanted to help in some realm, whether that was a vet, a doctor, anything, just being able to help living beings, I think.
Yes. Okay. What was your health like? Did you have excellent health yourself?
Good question. I'd say I had my ups and downs. Knowing what I know now as a doctor, I can implement a lot more things that I know guide health. Being younger, of course, I had the sugar every now and then. I did play a lot of sports, so I kept myself active in that way. Overall, I'd say I had a pretty good upbringing, good home-cooked meals, a lot of good things that led to my health now.
Yes, a lot of the doctors that I've interviewed have some kind of health crisis that brought them to being a doctor. For you, it sounds like it was a little bit different. It's just that you're a kind, gentle, wonderful person.
[laughter]
I hope so. That's one of my life goals.
Okay. Sounds excellent. Dr. Derek, what about you?
Yes, so I, actually, I'm one of those minority stories when it comes to chiropractors. I didn't go to a chiropractor growing up. Honestly, didn't even really know what chiropractic was for quite some time. What led me into chiropractic was similar to Dr. Andrea. Once I got to the point of knowing I wanted to do something with helping and being in the doctor field, I, originally, was looking into physical therapy. Then that just led me into doing some shadowing.
I got introduced to a couple of chiropractors where I shadowed their facilities and then just the atmosphere. My mom worked in a hospital for 35, 40 years, and so I've been in that environment. There's always a time and a place, but that environment just didn't speak to me. You can always tell what feels right with your soul once in a while, and that just never felt good to me. I just didn't like the environment very much. Once I got into some of these other facilities, it was a light that I didn't always find in some of the other ones.
I love that.
Yes. It was always nice to see people coming in and leaving differently than the way that they entered. That was something that was new to me, and I just gravitated towards it. I learned the philosophy of what that meant and where health could come from, and then I just dove deep into it. Then it just kept leading me on different paths.
Yes, it's a couple of different things that I want to grab a hold of that I love that you said. You said, "people leaving different", and that is my story. That's what caught my light. I just noticed that people changed in front of my eyes and I was changing myself.
Right.
Then you tied that to, you said philosophy. What does that have to do with philosophy?
That's what we all are, right? We've got to find that purpose. I think purpose and philosophy go hand-in-hand. I think a lot of times, especially now, we don't sit still enough to know what is our purpose, and we don't want to question things that may be hard. That is, a lot of times, purpose and philosophy in one. Once I learned what the philosophy of health was and where we can come at it from a vitalistic standpoint, then I just, like I said, gravitated towards that.
Then, I ask a ton of questions almost to a fault sometimes, I'm very analytical. The more questions I asked, it just kept leading me down different trajectories. Sometimes people think it's cliché or corny to say, but, honestly, it was a God-driven path. "I didn't choose chiropractic, chiropractic chose me" type of scenario.
What you're talking about now, too, is being open to listen and accept and take that responsibility.
Absolutely. Yes. There's all sorts of different trajectories that life can be let on, right? You take one, and then maybe that takes another turn to this direction.
Yes. What sparked your life, Dr. Andrea, to end up with chiropractic-
Yes. Absolutely.
-of all the healing professions?
Right. We're talking about the philosophy and just the body and its natural healing capabilities. As I became more of an athlete-- I played college volleyball. I played sports at a high-level division too. Really started to learn that fueling your body, your thoughts, those traumas, toxins, everything that can come into your system, can either age your health or deteriorate your health, and it goes one of two ways.
I just really started building on the principles of what life was and realizing that sometimes, when you elevate certain things in your life, that can elevate your health altogether. I just realized that our bodies are so incredible. They can do so much on their own given no interference. That was really what guided my life towards just becoming the best doctor I could, and helping people's own innate ability, heal.
Then did you know each other before you were in chiropractic school? Just tell me how you met.
It's a funny story. No, we didn't know each other, but, apparently, once we got to know each other, we're only about two hours away, our two hometowns were, from each other.
Okay.
What could have been clear across the country, we're only two hours away. We grew up in very similar manners within the Midwest. Our families are very similar, our interests are very similar. Then, it was our first year of chiropractic college, we ended up partnering up in a biochemistry class. Then we're both very competitive. We're both athletes. We started playing some sand volleyball together, co-ed duels, and then we just built a friendship that kept building and building and building, and then it led to where it has led now.
Dr. Andrea, what's it like to be a doctor and to, right now, you said you just wanted to help people, and now you're doing that, and you're even doing it with your life partner? Why don't you talk a little bit about what daily life is like for you like that?
Yes, we get the joke a lot, "How can you work with your spouse every single day?" We get certain patients that ask us that or, "Oh, I could never do that." Well, I feel like it's different when you're a doctor and you're helping people because then you almost have a second brain that can help you delve into tougher cases, or is there for you when you are struggling through something.
Yes, that collaboration is like, yes, your patients get a two for one, right?
Right, but they're also there in the struggles and the hard times too. Business isn't always easy. Healing people and helping people isn't always easy. Just having somebody there for support 24/7 has been an incredible blessing, I think, for us too. Another plan that we never expected we would meet our spouse in chiropractic school, but here we are and we're building a life and a relationship and a practice, and it's all coming together as God intended.
It is interesting because it all goes down to the fine detail. We wake up together. We go to work together. We work together throughout the day. We go to lunch together. We work out together. We come home together. You always hear those stories at the end of time of somebody's lifespan where you get that brokenhearted syndrome. Not that that's something to make light of, but we sometimes joke around like that we know we'll be that couple because we are intertwined.
Okay, you're doing everything together.
We are so intertwined. Okay. I run a business with my husband in the healing profession. We don't always agree. What about you? Get real with us.
[laughter]
Yes. No. Absolutely. I think everybody would know that it's a lie if you say you were always to agree and we, definitely, don't. Then, again, we also consider that a blessing because sometimes it's helping to pull that little bit out, agreeing to disagree, and you're going to have that a lot with your patients too. Then when you have that within your own relationship, you know how to communicate and communication's the most important thing.
Yes. We always joke that he's a little bit more analytical and I guess left brained at times. It depends. I've always been just more creative flowing, and ease, and I more go with the flow. Sometimes having that balance is really neat in our relationship.
Yes. You said you have a balance, so are you able to balance if you do disagree? Who's the boss?
[laughter]
I'll let her answer this because mostly--
That's kind of funny, but we are a little more old school in that too. We're very spiritually based, biblically based. I do think in a sense there's somewhat of a hierarchy of the man being the head of the household, and so that's how we run our lives. It's not that he has any dominance or power or anything over me, but at the same time, I can respectfully understand that there has to be someone that guides the relationship. I like putting that trust in him and support in him and all those types of things. At the end of the day, we always work together, we collaborate, but we both know our roles within our relationship too, so.
Absolutely. With great power comes great responsibility, right? It's not always going to be the case or the best way that a relationship will work for everybody. I rely on her for, honestly, probably more things than she relies on me on, but I take great responsibility in knowing that she considers me the director of our relationship, and so I know that I can't abuse that.
Yes. Mutual respect. We recently had hosted a dinner where there was multiple couples who had been through-- Well, there were different types of doctors. It wasn't just chiropractic school. There was chiropractors and medical doctors, and there was some nurse practitioners. The couples had gone through the experience together.
Even though I'm not a chiropractor myself, I was with my husband and went through that experience with him. I think that there's a respect and an understanding between the couples when they've been through that together. That is, it may be deeper or different, and, certainly, a support team of any kind is important, but when you've been through the whole learning process and growing process together, there's a depth there.
Right. Yes, I would agree with that. Absolutely.
You've been in practice, you said four years?
Coming on the start of the fourth year in July. Is that right?
Yes.
Yes. In your practice, tell us about if someone's considering they've heard, maybe a friend have said, "You should go see Barrett Chiropractic." What is it that you do? What's the process look like? Who are the typical people that you help? If I make an appointment and I have never been a chiropractic patient before, what happens?
Yes. If you've never been, those are some of my favorite ones because there's a lot of education when it comes to upper cervical. Sometimes with an individual that's been to traditional chiropractic, for a lack of a better word, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but there is a difference, and our goals are a little bit different when it comes to upper cervical.
How so?
Well, one of the bigger reasons is one thing when it comes to the upper cervical neck, is we don't want to adjust that every single visit. We have this thing that we have that correction that we want to stabilize and start to hold. If somebody was to come and we do an analysis and we do different tests, and we decide, "Hey, today we're going to leave this area alone," well then what am I paying for, in a sense? That's a very great question, but it is a lot of analysis that leads us to that. Sometimes putting an input into the body, it could be detrimental, it could be destructive in nature versus just--
Yes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Right. Exactly. There's a lot of analysis that gives us an idea of, when should we address this issue and when should we leave this issue alone and trust the power that we know that the body has?
Yes. Essentially, what you're saying is when you come as a patient, you pay for the expertise or knowing when to fix it and when to leave it alone.
Absolutely.
It's the expertise. I, actually, went to a dentist and then when I moved to the states, I tried a new dentist. All of a sudden I had had zero cavities. No, that's not true. I'd had one cavity and all of a sudden I had eight. I thought that was a little fishy. I went and sought a second opinion because I wanted somebody who could see what was not wrong.
Right.
[laughter]
That's a great way of putting it.
I've still not had eight cavities ever.
Right. Yes. That's a great way of putting it. Is there anything you wanted to expand upon that with a patient and some of the procedures?
I, actually, do have a follow-up. From a practical point of view, I come in and I've made an appointment. What do you do?
[chuckles] Good question. We do quite a few different things within our office. We feel like the more objective measures we can look at in a patient, the better results we're going to have.
Okay. What am I going through as a patient? What do you, actually, do to me? When I walk in, what's the first step?
The first step is, obviously, getting greeted at our front desk. We want to make you feel very welcome in our environment. Our clinic, in general, we really tried to make very comforting and homey. We want, the second people step in our door, to feel like this is a different place than they've been, that this is a place of healing. You're always greeted by a friendly face, whether that's a doctor, an assistant, whoever's there. We want to make you feel super comfortable right away.
That being said, we then take them back. We'll do a full examination, postural orthopedic, and neurological exam. We'll also grab thermography scans on their neck, and we, actually, have what's called cone beam CT in our office. 3D view of the upper head and neck area just so we can get the best, most precise analysis so that when we are ready to place that first correction, the patient is getting our best based off their anatomy.
Yes. You have a scientific process, but just you, Andrea, you said you want to make a difference, you want to help people.
Right.
Tell me some of your favorite stories that you have seen.
Oh, goodness. [chuckles] Where do you start with that? I guess a big one that stuck out in my head in the past three years is, I had a lady come in with Ménière's that was just debilitating for her.
Okay. For those who don't know what Ménière is, what is that?
It's a disease that can cause a lot of different things within the body, a lot of stresses, but it will cause dizziness, nausea episodes, brain fog to the extent that they can't even think and get through their day when they're having these episodes. Just very debilitating for them. Vomiting, a lot of things can come with that too.
Usually a lot of vertigo or tinnitus, which is ringing in the ears.
Vertigo is spinning or you're not knowing which side's up, or down, or sideways. Right?
Which brings me to a good point. We'll have a lot of conversation about vertigo and dizziness, and they're usually wrapped up into one, but they're, actually, two different things in a sense. A lot of times we have to distinguish, are we experiencing a little bit more disequilibrium and dizziness, or are we experiencing vertigo?
For some of the listeners, a good way of being able to differentiate that is I'll ask, "Are you feeling like you're almost walking on a ship that's kind of swaying back and forth?" Or it's a post day if somebody's drank too much alcohol, kind of what that would feel like if you feel a little bit off balance, versus are you sitting still and the room around you is spinning? Or, are you spinning and the room is staying still? Those are going to be more of your vertigo scenarios.
Okay. Well, thank you for clarifying that.
Yes, absolutely.
Now I want to hear about the lady with Meniere's disease, now that we know what that is.
Yes, absolutely. She came in and she was having these episodes close to once a week. Just, literally, couldn't function, couldn't live her life. Had cut out all sorts of foods, all sorts of beverages. She was doing everything she could. She wasn't really taking any supplements because anything she would take would affect her system. Really just taking a lot of different things out of her life, including family time and everything else.
Coming into our clinic, again, did the full analysis, walked her through the steps, educated her. I think patient education is a huge key in their healing process too. Went through all that, started getting her some corrections, only adjusted when needed. Again, looked at her scans, looked at her systems, and her scans were very awry, I guess is what I would say.
She has a lot of temperature differentials from side to side, so you could just tell right away, neurological, input was off balance.
Again, started adjusting her when necessary, and we're probably about close to a year into care with her at this point, not having any of that. We broke down in tears not too long ago, both of us, just because she had told me, "I got to go out and have a margarita with my husband," or, "Have a glass of wine on our anniversary." She hasn't been able to have alcohol in years just because of her symptoms. Not that that's something you should focus on, but it's those little things in life that keep you happy and upbeat.
Living life to the fullest. I talk a lot about getting your life back. That's really what it's about. Yes, I get that. No, honestly, and it's just been, like I said, it's those activities of daily living that we focus on a lot with patients. Of course, you're coming in with a pain, yes, that's our goal to help you get out of that chronic pain or the issues that you're having, but at the same time, just getting that day-to-day activity back and being able to live your life and do the things you enjoy are so, so crucial. That's what we focus on in our office.
Derek, do you have a favorite story.
Not to jump or piggyback on that, but mines is Meniere's related as well. I think the biggest thing is just because there's really not a lot that has helped a lot of Meniere's patients.
That's true.
A lot of times it's just like, "Try meclizine. Try this medication." It is a diagnosis of exclusion more or less. We can't figure out exactly, "It's not this. It's not this. It's not this," so it's Meniere's. That's similar to what they do with Irritable bowel syndrome. "It's not this. It's not Crohn's. It's not UC," Ulcerative Colitis. "We think that it could just be IBS." Sometimes those diagnosis are hard to take. A lot of times when we see a Meniere's patient, they've been to upwards of 15 different providers or different tests or different things they've tried to do and nothing's really helped them.
A lot of times in Blair upper cervical practice, we're like the last stitch doctor.
[laughter]
Right. There's some good and there's some bad about that. I always like, if you would have started with us or started at that least invasive method, maybe we never would have had to have seen or done all those other things. At the same time, better late than ever.
It's, actually, one of the purposes I have for doing this podcast is, if you know more, then you have more options. I'm sure you have, too, seen some amazing results with people that do come to as a last resort. Also, if there's been multiple doctors and multiple failed attempts, multiple years of suffering, if we can cut that short and find a solution sooner, that would be a good thing.
Setting expectations is, honestly, a really good thing too. There's only one type of biblical healing, and sometimes that's not what we're after. We're after progress, not perfection. That's something I really like to set expectations with patient that's been through a little bit of everything. "How long is this going on? Are we dealing with a lot of chronic other issues? Wat would be a good goal for us to reach on a functional aspect?"
Currently, within the literature, there is no cure for Meniere's. How can we help you manage the symptoms or manage your ability to function from day-to-day at a lot better of a degree? For some people, they do see a great resolve, upwards of 90% resolve, and some people, they get 50% resolve, and that's a world of difference to them.
We want it to be all gone back will take better over not being better. Sometimes, that's where it has to start it.
Who's to say that we know what the healing process and the healing cycle will be in somebody? Sometimes that can take getting through a certain phase and then let's start that second phase. Almost like peeling back those onion layers and every time we peel one back, we get a little bit healthier and a little bit more improved upon.
I want to shift gears a little bit.
Sure
You're here in Lubbock, Texas. It's been what an eight-hour road trip for you yesterday?
Yes.
I'm assuming you had to have closed your clinic yesterday.
We, actually, don't see patients on Fridays.
Oh, that worked out. Okay.
That's a catch-up day for us.
That worked out. You're here. You're already seeing complicated cases, you're seeing great results, and you're helping people. What motivates you to continue to learn, to take advanced seminars, and do a lot of hard things? Because I know that this class that you're in today, most doctors even don't get this far, and yet, you're continuing to learn more.
For us and we've talked about this, I think it comes back to our competitive nature.
Okay. [laughs] You want to be the best. [laughs]
There's a little bit of that. Absolutely. We do, but there's always room for improvement. We know that within sports. You don't make a shot and then just like, "Okay, I've got that settled." You keep practicing that shot. You keep practicing that skill. You keep saying, "How can I get better?" We're from Kansas and so we're big Patrick Mahomes fans, who's, actually, from Lubbock.
Oh, yes. I think all of Lubbock. That's, for sure.
It just his skill. He's got some raw talent. Some of it, I'm sure, is very, very natural, but he doesn't just stop right there. He's constantly pushing, he's constantly progressing, and he's perfecting that skill. He's watching plays. He's learning the game from every position so he can read what the defense is doing. That's the same thing with our profession. There's always things you can improve upon.
Dr. Andrea, do you have anything you want to add to that or what motivates you to keep, continue to learn, and invest money and time? Well, basically, blood, sweat and tears.
I think that's something that's, actually, super neat about this chiropractic profession, in general, is, you're always hearing some of these greats that originated. Then, these people learn from those grades and these people learn from those grades. The more you can get in contact with these amazing doctors who are getting these results and have the knowledge, I feel like the more knowledge you can put in yourself.
It takes about 10,000 hours to be an expert in anything. We're only four years into practice, so we've still got some time to go. The more dedicated hours we put into that practice, the better care we can give our patients. The better love and everything else we can implement into their system to help them be the best possible.
I think that's really great. That's the doctor that I, myself, would want to go to. Also here at the Blair Clinic, I take a lot of calls from people from all over the country because our name is the Blair Clinic. Those are the type of doctors that I-- Obviously, know you personally and trust, but if I know that the doctors are willing to go the extra mile, and take the classes, and put in the hard work, those are the doctors that I, personally, would trust for myself and my family. Those are the doctors that I would recommend to people who ask me as well.
Yes. I think that's probably how most people feel. If it's your son, or your daughter, or your parent, and you want to send a family member to somebody to help them out, you want somebody that you can trust. That's done things behind the scenes and has put in the blood, sweat, and tears like you said, and what's their expertise. To know when they may fall short and that they don't have a pridability that prevents them from saying, "Okay, this is where I hit my max on where I think I can take you, but I think this individual can get you that much further." It's a collaborative effort sometimes. You've got to find somebody that's willing to not think that they knew at all also.
I will put in the notes for this show how to get a hold of you, and will put a link to your website, and that kind of thing. Also, there'll be a link to, if you're not in Kansas City and you're not near Lubbock, how you can find a Blair doctor near you. Also, if you can't find someone near you, how you can contact me and I'll help you. I may know somebody who's not listed on the website.
Sure.
Before we close, what would you like to say that I haven't asked you about?
Very hard, but one thing I guess that we also try to bring into our practice in every day, it's just that that mentality of faith and spiritual life, and that good combination that you can just implement into your life like I said. Health doesn't just come from one thing. There's multiple things that can go into your health that help you thrive and live life to the fullest, and do all those things.
We really try to encompass that ourselves and be an example, not only to our friends and family but to our patients, so that they understand that we're doing all the little things too. We're not being hypocrites in telling you, "You need to go drink water and eat clean," and do those types of things. We do it ourselves and were examples of that so that we can portray that to the community. I think that's just amazing when people start to learn what their body can do and that they can take their health into their own hands too.
Do you have any classes that you offer to the community, or when you're saying "teach", is it just one-on-one patient based?
Some is one-on-one. We also will hold, what would you call it I guess?
Once in a while we'll do an educational or an outsourcing events such as yoga or something along those lines just to help keep people engaged in working on their health and finding new interests that maybe they didn't know that they would be interested in. We are hopeful to do a lot more of that in the future than what we're currently sitting at. Just to expand upon what she said, something that I would add is just to recognize the power that the body has.
That's what this podcast is for, knowing that there is that ability out there. At the same time, I think everything that comes at us from so many different angles is almost fear based and it's distraction, it's deception. That keeps us in this mentality of not being able to understand how powerful we've been created and the divinity that has been instilled within us. Just recognizing that has to be the first step. It's almost, come full circle where we started, you were talking about when you were decided to be a chiropractor, it's like you felt you're so light up. You saw the change that happened and just something within you resonated that this is what I want to do. I almost feel like that can transfer as a patient. My story is, I was a very difficult patient that had tried everything and I just continued to be sick no matter what I tried and nobody could figure it out. I, many times, felt like I just, "I'm hopeless. Nothing is going to work." At some point, in my case, it was Dr. Muncy in California, found something and I just thought, "Yes, this is it." Then is that what you're talking about?
Yes, that's, absolutely, correct. It's not to give up. Sometimes when--
It's the opposite of that. Take a step out and go, there is a solution for me.
There is. It may take sometimes a frustrating couple of years to figure it out, but that not giving up component is critical. We're all meant to bury crosses and sometimes they're a lot heavier for some individuals. If you keep the faith, you keep the hope and you understand what the body's capable of, you'll be directed into a path that'll eventually lead you to getting that, again, a progress. Not always perfection.
Yes. You obviously have each other and you help each other out all day long, but do you, individually or together have a life verse or some daily habit or a favorite quote or something like that, that you turn to motivate you?
I would say that we have a daily devotional that we have in our clinic and we try to read it every morning. Or if there's something that presents itself in the day that's just a little bit overwhelming, open back up to that page, what did it say for the day? Get some scripture, implement that into what we're doing, and I think that's ultimately one of the biggest guiding factors of our clinic, is just that faith and truth of the higher power.
Every new day is day one of the rest of your life. "Change thinking, change everything". That's one that's always stuck with me, and then, again, just trusting in and leading towards God's will, God's way, and being able to fall back on that is huge for both of us.
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